Why do people claim QBs are gonna refuse to play for a bad team?

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How am I debating in bad faith?

You believe because a team went to a Super Bowl 4 years prior with a different staff and roster that I should want to go there as a QB
Because you're ignoring the other factors given regarding the Chargers and Giants to tell me that a playoff team and a 4-win team being compared is equal today.
 

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If Eli went to Chargers and Rivers to Giants Rivers would have at least Superbowl. Chargers have been some of the worst ownership in all of professional sports. Harbaugh/Ortiz is first time team has operated Ina professional manner.
 

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Honestly they need to. All but a small percentage of QBs are a product of what goes on around them. That savior shyt rarely works out. Peyton and Troy the only #1 pick QBs to win a SB on the squad that drafted them (not counting the guys that forced their way somewhere). May go back 50+ to Bradshaw. If you got leverage or options use it because its your rep and well being on the line.
Troy may have been the No.1 overall pick, but he was definitely a beneficiary of what went on around him. The seminal moments aside from his drafting.
1. The Great Train Robbery of Minnesota
2. Mike Irvin recovering from his torn ACL.
3. Drafting Emmitt Smith
4. Trading for Charles Haley. Strengthening their team while weakening their rival.
Also, why must you be the No.1 overall pick to be the savior? Why do you have to win a SB to be a teams' hero? Jim Kelly wasnt No.1, but he certainly saved Buffalo.

Bledsoe/Palmer were No.1 overall picks and were saviors. Bledsoe helped New England and kept them from relocating and got them to a SB. Palmer was on the verge of superstardom before a dirty hit changed the trajectory of his career.

Matt Ryan wasnt a No.1 overall pick, but he saved them when they were in turmoil, post Vick. Had them in the playoffs 3 straight times, when they had never made it, consecutively. Culminating in an MVP and SB appearance.

McNabb saved Philly. He helped them become a perennial playoff team and serious contender. Leading to a close SB loss. RG3 wasnt No.1 and he was on the verge of rescuing the Redskins
 

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Again, “NIL money” is not equal to the pay of being the first overall pick

Baker mayfield and Jameis Winston made 40-50 million dollars for the teams that drafted them first.

Not now, but in the future, we’re going to see College athletes coming into the NFL, with NIL money north of $15 Million. Caleb Williams earned $7 Million total in NIL money before being drafted. NIL is going to be a game changer when it comes to top college players. Teams like Carolina can’t continue to be a clown show, because these upcoming top picks will have money flexibility to make decisions.

Lets take Shedeur for example. What if he’s the #1 QB by the end of the CFB season? If he is, he’s probably going to have at least $10 Million + in NIL money, PLUS his family is already rich. If Carolina has the #1 pick, you think his dad is going to let his son suffer in Charlotte?? Deion has already stated that he and his “team” are going to take a long hard look at where they want Shedeur drafted.
 

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Troy may have been the No.1 overall pick, but he was definitely a beneficiary of what went on around him. The seminal moments aside from his drafting.
1. The Great Train Robbery of Minnesota
2. Mike Irvin recovering from his torn ACL.
3. Drafting Emmitt Smith
4. Trading for Charles Haley. Strengthening their team while weakening their rival.
Also, why must you be the No.1 overall pick to be the savior? Why do you have to win a SB to be a teams' hero? Jim Kelly wasnt No.1, but he certainly saved Buffalo.

Bledsoe/Palmer were No.1 overall picks and were saviors. Bledsoe helped New England and kept them from relocating and got them to a SB. Palmer was on the verge of superstardom before a dirty hit changed the trajectory of his career.

Matt Ryan wasnt a No.1 overall pick, but he saved them when they were in turmoil, post Vick. Had them in the playoffs 3 straight times, when they had never made it, consecutively. Culminating in an MVP and SB appearance.

McNabb saved Philly. He helped them become a perennial playoff team and serious contender. Leading to a close SB loss. RG3 wasnt No.1 and he was on the verge of rescuing the Redskins
I focused on #1s because they are the only ones that would be in position to refuse. Imagine a dude that's not even viewed as the best QB/player in his draft pulling some Eli/Elway shyt. I mean look at how folks talked about CJ last year. Now imagine him saying "Nah I refuse to go to Houston."

Were McNabb, Ryan, RGIII cast as saviors prior to going to their respective teams? If you are considered a savior, ain't nobody getting picked over you. And I wish a black QB in 1999 would fix his mouth to say he ain't going somewhere :pachaha:.

I get what you are saying a agree with much of it but lets be real...2 teams winning SBs after getting the number 1 pick (originally) in 50 years doesn't strike you just a little? You don't draft a guy number 1 overall, espeically with the money they used to get to make the playoffs. We do all this talk about generational guys and the top pick, all these projections and it's worked out to the tune of a ring (s) twice in half a century. And like you said, all that other shyt happened in Dallas and they ended up being a run first squad.
 

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@FTBS I seen what youre saying. You have to be the consensus No.1 to even think about pulling that type of powerplay.
 

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@FTBS you are correct again. When you are drafted No.1, it is to win a Superbowl championship. Thats why Aikman was always so satisfied. He said out of his own mouth, that he felt so accomplished and complete when he won his first Superbowl and furthermore when he won 2 and 3. He had done what he was drafted for and then some. Despite the not so glamorous stats and lack of individual accolades
 
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