Why are so many people okay with rooting for terrorists

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Just like Tom and Jerry. Everyone classed Tom as "bad" and that made Jerry "good" by default but if you spin it back you'll see that 9/10 Tom is just chillin and the mouse swings through and hits him upside the head with a frying pan or tries to play with his head to make him feel schizophrenic then drops him into a pre arranged beef with the dog who was like the Birdman of that universe.


The teller of visions has been telling lies to your vision since your inception, my friend.
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The Decepticons would destroy the earth to win their war.

No HUMAN would want that to happen
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Robot babble … respectfully

The Decepticons would destroy the earth to win their war.

No HUMAN would want that to happen
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In a nutshell why didn't Optimal Bribes enter into negotiations with the Megatron Don? Why? They want them to kill themselves, you go to Cybertron you'll see that ish! In a lot more quoted words:



Its a classic case of haves and have nots and how the former will do anything to prevent the latter from getting theirs. If you didn't peep game as it was unfolding then just read this and make your own mind up:

Throughout all of the Transformers continuities (the notable exception being Shattered Glass) there have always been the "noble Autobots" and the "evil Decepticons". As a child I accepted this at face value but as I got older — and especially as different continuities appeared — I found myself disagreeing with this assertion.

I believe the Autobots are the evil ones. The Decepticons are the true heroes, and Megatron is about as pure as they come.

In the generally accepted comic book canon Megatron was an energy miner — a nobody, in the grand scheme of things. The Autobots ran Cybertron and a great deal of the Cybertronian government bolstered by the Autobot military (led by Sentinel Prime) was corrupt. It was through this corruption that birthed Megatron and the Decepticons. The Decepticons didn't fight for conquest, they were fighting for their rights. They were fighting for their fair share of energy and a better standard of living, something the corrupt Autobot government would not allow purely for profit-driven class reasons.

Megatron was effectively trapped in a system where nothing he could do within the law
could have a positive effect on the society he was a part of. It was illegal for him to speak up and illegal to organize, and the entire political system was engineered to keep things that way, to keep the ruling class Autobots in power. The only recourse left to him was all-out revolution. Anything else would have been an impotent half-step, an incomplete effort that would have done nothing more than invite the corrupt to improve their ways and make another attempt at takeover.

So, Megatron found himself at the vanguard of a movement to destroy the corrupt Autobot leadership. And how do you go about fighting a corrupt government with a powerful military at their disposal? Through terroristic tactics. Sneak attacks. Backstabbing. It was the only way to break the cycle. "All warfare is based on deception."

Deception. Decepticons.

Did the Decepticons start the war? Nope.
It was the Autobots who fired first, both figuratively (through manipulations of corrupt government) and literally (with the attack on the mining team that Megatron was on the receiving end of). Megatron counterattacked in self defense. Sure, he was brutal, but would you really be expected to be gentle if someone was out to deprive you of life and limb?

In the early stages of the war the Autobots never sought peace with the Decepticons, they sought surrender
. Of COURSE the Decepticons aren't going to accept that. As the war raged on their pleas for peace were seen, perhaps rightfully so, as the pleas of a society which was almost ready to give up. You can blame Megatron for draining Cybertron of its resources all you want, but the fact remains that the Autobots were draining Cybertron at least as much as Megatron was. And while the Autobots were fighting to maintain the status quo and keep the Autobots in power, Megatron was fighting for equality and the end to political corruption and oppression. If that meant tearing down an otherwise-unresponsive power base and all that supported it, and there was no other way to affect such a change, then wouldn't the end actually justify the means?

So what about Megatron's obvious contempt for other forms of life? My response to that would be, so what? Humans are at least as contemptuous to other forms of life as Megatron is. We humans routinely stomp out ant nests, poison wasp hives, step on spiders, bomb cockroaches, evict bats, and run over squirrels without barely a second thought, and that's just in our domestic existence. In the broader sense of the world humans are responsible for mass deforestation and ecological rape for the sake of providing power, food and shelter for its population. And why shouldn't we? Those "lesser creatures" don't have the same degree of sentience as we humans have and certainly aren't capable of understanding our needs or why we do what we do. In that regard, humans are no different from the Decepticons.

And that's exactly the kind of contempt that Megatron views humans and most other life forms in the universe. The extension of the battle to Earth and the involvement of the humans was just another resource allocation to Megatron. In his eyes, the humans — a species which he generally regarded with the same contempt as we humans regard cockroackes — allied themselves with the power-hungry socially-suppressive Autobot regime. So, from Megatron's perspective, the Autobots landed on an energy-rich planet that the local vermin were willing to share with them in order to maintain their oppressive rule. Megatron would no sooner enter into talks with the human race than we would open negotiations with cockroaches in our homes. What do we humans do when we move into a house or apartment that has cockroaches in it? We exterminate for our betterment. And so does Megatron. So he's not being "evil" there either. He's just got a different perspective which the humans lack, and if you were to ask him, the humans are incapable of even understanding the existence of that perspective.

Optimus Prime is heroic to be sure, but what are his motives? If peace were truly his primary goal then he would have entered into negotiations with Megatron a LONG time ago, with the first concession being the dissolution of the Autobot regime. He didn't do that. Why not? If he were to tap into the wisdom of the Matrix he certainly would have seen the corruption of the Autobots, right?

Unless the Matrix were already similarly corrupted by Autobot sparks. Whoops.

Mind you, this isn't to say that the Decepticons were saints. Many of the Decepticons were psychotic. Shockwave was particularly nasty. But Megatron, like all good military leaders, made good use out of the materials at hand. Who cares if they were psychotic if they helped solve the problem? And when their usefulness has come to an end and they have nothing left to offer the new society, they're discarded. We humans do the same thing; look at our prison system.

So, there you have it: Autobots are manipulative power-hungry bots seeking to reinstate themselves as the head of a socially corrupt society. Decepticons are desperate terrorists looking to restore their home world and create a dictatorship to ensure Autobot corruption never happens again.



Get the picture?
 

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Another way to think about it is if you were in the Matrix, plugged in, entirely unaware of the Real World you would be firmly convinced that Neo was a terrorist and Morpheus some deranged loon as that is the story the news would tell as their perspective runs contra to the paradigm designed to keep you fenced in to predictable repetition and mindless consumption.

If they came and spoke to you personally you'd think they were crazy as can be and you'd fight for your right to remain coc00ned in ignorance and servitude. If you were freed you'd hate true Reality in contrast to the comfortable illusion to which you'd became accustomed.

What if you were dreaming a dream that you totally believed and someone appeared to tell you you're asleep? You'd look at him like he'd flipped his lid as your vision is so clear it speaks for itself and yet you're actually resting in bed.

What if I were to tell you that is exactly what is happening right now, at this very moment and you're simply playing a Game (which uses your Soul as a credit) hence dream within a dream, a wheel within a wheel. Those who perceive and see will do whatever they need to get off the wheel of time because those who don't will "see the light" at the end of the birth canal (again) as they're welcomed back to the realm they just left. Recycled:

"“All I saw was my life flash before my eyes. I was certain I’d died but then there was a bright light at the end of a tunnel that was radiating pure love that I was drawn toward. I felt like I’d been welcomed with open arms. There was something so familiar yet totally new, like observing an unknown view I somehow already knew…”.
Says every near death experiencer, ever. Get the picture?"


You think that's air you're breathing?
 

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what does that have to do with the constant fukkery they got up to on earth?
Do you worry about the ant hill when you are cutting your lawn, or do you mow it over? If you had a life span of millions of years and your people were dying, would you care about the well-being of beings who live for one-hundred years. or would you work to get all the resources you can to aid in the survival of your own planet and people?
 

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Do you worry about the ant hill when you are cutting your lawn, or do you mow it over? If you had a life span of millions of years and your people were dying, would you care about the well-being of beings who live for one-hundred years. or would you work to get all the resources you can to aid in the survival of your own planet and people?
i cant communicate with ants. i dont pretend to be an ant hill or aphids to mingle around amongst ants and if im fighting someone, im not getting ants involved with whoevers ass im beating, these beings have a habit of fukking around with the beings of our planet damn near unfettered. they could go to other planets, but they keep coming back to this one, they want to have a war? take that bullshyt somewhere else
 

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just because a couple of them have cool glowing swords

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in reality a lot of them would be rooting for the empire :mjpls:
what is a "lightsaber" anyways :jbhmm:
 

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i cant communicate with ants. i dont pretend to be an ant hill or aphids to mingle around amongst ants and if im fighting someone, im not getting ants involved with whoevers ass im beating, these beings have a habit of fukking around with the beings of our planet damn near unfettered. they could go to other planets, but they keep coming back to this one, they want to have a war? take that bullshyt somewhere else
Does not matter if they can communicate with humans or not, they feel they need to get those resources on Earth to save Cybertron, and they will do what needs to be done for that. They are literally god-like compared to earth humans, human lives mean nothing to them beyond their own moral code they may hold on to. While Cybertronians are dying, Optimus Prime and his merry band of Autobots are galivanting around the galaxy making friends. Megatron is trying to save their people from extinction, and you meat bags are nothing but an ant-hill in his way.

All Hail Megatron!
 
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