Whole Foods' Co-Founder John Mackey: "Why Intellectuals Hate Capitalism"

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

if the government doesn't look out for the common worker, who will?

Lol for starters the worker themselves

Two the govt does look out for the common worker.... OSHA, Fair Labor Standards Act, FMLA, ACA, anti discrimination laws, worker's comp, uninsurance employment..... shyt, the mere ability to take an employer to court period is huge and something that is not available elsewhere.

Please define exactly what problem you are trying to solve here. Vague allusions to fairness and dignity dont hold water anymore, Im tired of meaningless emotional appeals.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Lol for starters the worker themselves

Two the govt does look out for the common worker.... OSHA, Fair Labor Standards Act, FMLA, ACA, anti discrimination laws, worker's comp, uninsurance employment..... shyt, the mere ability to take an employer to court period is huge and something that is not available elsewhere.

Please define exactly what problem you are trying to solve here. Vague allusions to fairness and dignity dont hold water anymore, Im tired of meaningless emotional appeals.

of course you wouldn't.

profits over people i guess.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

of course you wouldn't.

profits over people i guess.

Naw bruh. I want people to prosper. But your vague ass decrying of greed and exploitation is not doing anything for that cause. U are basically saying "i think people are being treated unfairly" and "people need to be paid a living wage" but have yet to define what fair treatment or a living wage are and how those are the main problems people are facing. Speak to specific issues and point by point solutions to address them and then I can take u seriously. Because I have a lot, for everything from income inequality to healthcare to college tuition to whatever. U are just talking to hear urself speak.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Naw bruh. I want people to prosper. But your vague ass decrying of greed and exploitation is not doing anything for that cause. U are basically saying "i think people are being treated unfairly" and "people need to be paid a living wage" but have yet to define what fair treatment or a living wage are and how those are the main problems people are facing. Speak to specific issues and point by point solutions to address them and then I can take u seriously. Because I have a lot, for everything from income inequality to healthcare to college tuition to whatever. U are just talking to hear urself speak.

You're using a rhetorical trick by undercutting the position of those who are concerned with economic inequality by dismissing it as being about "fairness" --- as if the argument against inequality is irrelevant pie-in-the-sky hippie talk. No, we're talking about economic reason and stability, and the financial engine of America. You're gunna have to explain to us how its a superior economic environment for a few percent of the nation to own more wealth, power, and resources than 80-90% in a first world nation. You're gunna have to explain to us, without using emotive libertarian buzzwords like "freedom" and "liberty", how we as a nation benefit from paying tens of millions in the workforce wages they literally cannot survive on.

The mid 20th century featured an economic environment that was high on taxes and regulation, and offered a more favorable income distribution to the workforce, which created a healthy middle class. This era is considered the "golden age" of America. What you're doing is making an argument exclusively from the interests of a business man/owner. Of course HE doesnt give a shyt if his workers cant survive on the wages he pays them. What do we get out of it tho as a whole?

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

I love when liberals turn into deficit hawks when citing low wages.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Naw bruh. I want people to prosper. But your vague ass decrying of greed and exploitation is not doing anything for that cause. U are basically saying "i think people are being treated unfairly" and "people need to be paid a living wage" but have yet to define what fair treatment or a living wage are and how those are the main problems people are facing. Speak to specific issues and point by point solutions to address them and then I can take u seriously. Because I have a lot, for everything from income inequality to healthcare to college tuition to whatever. U are just talking to hear urself speak.

so you believe the system is fine as is?

what do YOU believe is a fair minimum wage?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

You're using a rhetorical trick by undercutting the position of those who are concerned with economic inequality by dismissing it as being about "fairness" --- as if the argument against inequality is irrelevant pie-in-the-sky hippie talk. No, we're talking about economic reason and stability, and the financial engine of America. You're gunna have to explain to us how its a superior economic environment for a few percent of the nation to own more wealth, power, and resources than 80-90% in a first world nation. You're gunna have to explain to us, without using emotive libertarian buzzwords like "freedom" and "liberty", how we as a nation benefit from paying tens of millions in the workforce wages they literally cannot survive on.

I have never denied the gravity of income and wealth inequality. I offer up solutions pretty much ever time the topic comes up.

Speak to specific issues and point by point solutions to address them and then I can take u seriously. Because I have a lot, for everything from income inequality to healthcare to college tuition to whatever.

The mid 20th century featured an economic environment that was high on taxes and regulation, and offered a more favorable income distribution to the workforce, which created a healthy middle class. This era is considered the "golden age" of America. What you're doing is making an argument exclusively from the interests of a business man/owner. Of course HE doesnt give a shyt if his workers cant survive on the wages he pays them. What do we get out of it tho as a whole?

This "golden era" shyt is so played out breh. Im not even going to type up a new response

People love to point to the 50s and conveniently forget that
- Europe was rebuilding from wwii and not a competitor
- Economically China, Mexico and the rest of the third world didn't exist
- The US was a much younger country
- Only white men were allowed to get good jobs and accumulate wealth
Etc etc. High marginal rates had nothing to do with the prosperity of the "good old days".
Not to mention the tax rate curve had never been more progressive. People who say the solution is taxes don't know what they're talking about.
The middle class needs job training, job placement and relocation help. Higher taxes on the rich won't train people or make more jobs.

Not to mention, basically no environmental regulations, and a much smaller population = less internal competition, etc etc I could write a book on all the things that boosted American prosperity during the golden age besides high marginal rates

How many times are yall gonna beat that "golden era high marginal rates" false causation fallacy to death. U cant solve all the world's problems by taking rich people's money

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

so you believe the system is fine as is?

what do YOU believe is a fair minimum wage?

No

I think a fair minimum wage is whatever people and companies agree on.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

No

I think a fair minimum wage is whatever people and companies agree on.

are you suggesting the current minimum wage was arrived at by committee?

when did any of these large corporations run it by the "people" first?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

are you suggesting the current minimum wage was arrived at by committee?

when did any of these large corporations run it by the "people" first?

Well MW damn sure wasn't an idea big business put forth. And can you explain what a corporation "run by the people" means exactly? U throw out a buzzword, I ask u to explain, u ask another question with another buzzword. What do you see the exact problems to be and how do you propose we solve them? Just being opposed to someone who thinks differently than you do is not an answer.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Well MW damn sure wasn't an idea big business put forth. And can you explain what a corporation "run by the people" means exactly? U throw out a buzzword, I ask u to explain, u ask another question with another buzzword. What do you see the exact problems to be and how do you propose we solve them? Just being opposed to someone who thinks differently than you do is not an answer.

what solutions have you brought up.

all you keep doing is demonizing my position because i can't provide a mathematical solution. i never claimed i could fix the economy, i'm saying that i am in favor of raising minimum wage.

 

[Tate]

I don't see how anyone can argue against at least raising the minimum wage to $10 and tying it to inflation. Unless you're one of those "we don't need a minimum wage because markets!" people. In which case

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

I don't see how anyone can argue against at least raising the minimum wage to $10 and tying it to inflation. Unless you're one of those "we don't need a minimum wage because markets!" people. In which case

What if CPI is practically nothing like it is now?

 

[Tate]

What if CPI is practically nothing like it is now?

In what way? More buying power or less?

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

In what way? More buying power or less?

What if there's no inflation? No increase?