Whole Foods' Co-Founder John Mackey: "Why Intellectuals Hate Capitalism"

[Tate]

What if there's no inflation? No increase?

I'm confused as to your question.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

what solutions have you brought up.

all you keep doing is demonizing my position because i can't provide a mathematical solution. i never claimed i could fix the economy, i'm saying that i am in favor of raising minimum wage.

Im not demonizing your position.... I just want u to stop hiding behind vague canards of "fairness" and "exploitation".

I never asked for a mathematical solution either........ I just asked what you feel the problems workers face are and how u would solve them. More specifically how minimum wage is the best or only way to solve them.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I don't see how anyone can argue against at least raising the minimum wage to $10 and tying it to inflation. Unless you're one of those "we don't need a minimum wage because markets!" people. In which case

So basically u refuse to entertain any suggestions u dont agree with. U must really believe in the stuff u preach if u arent even willing to put it up against other schools of thought

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Im not demonizing your position.... I just want u to stop hiding behind vague canards of "fairness" and "exploitation".

I never asked for a mathematical solution either........ I just asked what you feel the problems workers face are and how u would solve them. More specifically how minimum wage is the best or only way to solve them.

large corporations are making more and more in profits, but employees are being paid less and less in wages. the gap in wealth between the CEO and the entry level worker has widened rapidly over the last 50 years.

this economy has hurt pretty much everybody, except the 1%. they have thrived.

so yea, taxing those profits and raising the wages is a good start.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

you mean aside from subjugating a human being to a life of glorified servitude?

Theres ACTUAL whips and chains in the middle east....like right now.

So no, you won't get away with this sort of hyperbole in here.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

because the current system isn't in favor of the people, it's in favor of the corporations.

and as long as the corporations are in control, they will never strive for a system that is fair for the people.

It seems like you're avoiding to answer anything here

 

[Tate]

So basically u refuse to entertain any suggestions u dont agree with. U must really believe in the stuff u preach if u arent even willing to put it up against other schools of thought

Exactly. That's why I spent twenty pages in this thread only discussing things I believe with likeminded individuals.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Theres ACTUAL whips and chains in the middle east....like right now.

So no, you won't get away with this sort of hyperbole in here.

spare me the PC bullshyt. someone working in america for 5 dollars an hour in 2015 is not going to get anywhere in life.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

I'm confused as to your question.

You said something about raising minimum wage and tying it to inflation...i was simply asking if there is no inflation ( like now) will there be no increase in wages?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Lol for starters the worker themselves

Two the govt does look out for the common worker.... OSHA, Fair Labor Standards Act, FMLA, ACA, anti discrimination laws, worker's comp, uninsurance employment..... shyt, the mere ability to take an employer to court period is huge and something that is not available elsewhere.

Please define exactly what problem you are trying to solve here. Vague allusions to fairness and dignity dont hold water anymore, Im tired of meaningless emotional appeals.

Why can't we get along more...

See, I agree with you completely here.

I won't say the situation is/will ever be perfect, but i'm gonna need some targeted and specific appeals and outlines for what needs to be changed point by point.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

so you believe the system is fine as is?

what do YOU believe is a fair minimum wage?

The problem is you think the MW is supposed to be whatever you equate to a comfortable life...and as long you're making MW, that will NEVER be the case.

EVER>

In fact, the MW isn't even supposed to be carefree...its simply across the breadth of jobs available in the entire country the absolute LEAST you can ever be paid. For anything. Thats from mowing lawns to wall street.

So yeah, you can't expect MW to move everyone into quiet cul-de-sacs.

 

[Tate]

You said something about raising minimum wage and tying it to inflation...i was simply asking if there is no inflation ( like now) will there be no increase in wages?

The dollar isn't currently inflating so after its raised to 10.10(last I saw), which is from past inflation, then yes.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Isnt that what everyone who has to work for a living is subjugated to?

This is precisely why the working class needs to move from constituting, as Marx noted, a class "in itself" (i.e., just people who share common grievances against capitalists), to understanding itself as a class "for itself" (i.e., a distinct social class with interests diametrically opposed to those of the bourgeoisie - this also implies a different set of values for how people relate to each other, I would argue).

It is 2015. No one has to go hungry, be homeless, etc. As a class, the working class can determine that given our level of material development, there's no need to be working 40+ hours a week for 50+ years of your life.

Yet what we observe is that the more productive the working class is, the more that is produced, the longer and harder people have to work...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I don't see how anyone can argue against at least raising the minimum wage to $10 and tying it to inflation. Unless you're one of those "we don't need a minimum wage because markets!" people. In which case

This is STILL flawed.

MW is going to hit $15 by the time states and cities add on to it.

So thats not the question

So now you talking about tying it to inflation never made sense. It was never supposed to be pegged to anything. All you can do is possibly talk about the cost of living but even then, the CoL originally didn't include Netflix and iPhones

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Exactly. That's why I spent twenty pages in this thread only discussing things I believe with likeminded individuals.

Literally the opposite of empiricism