Whole Foods' Co-Founder John Mackey: "Why Intellectuals Hate Capitalism"

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The jury system in America works well though.

For CRIMINAL cases.

Not private business decisions.

This dude wants UPS to hold meetings on how everyone thinks they should run their business:

"Hey Becky thinks we should deliver all brownies to Becky's mom's house...all in favor!"

Stop this foolishness

This sort of tyrannical bullshyt is specifically what I'm trying to get you all to acknowledge. @Swavy Karl Marx would seriously run up in Xerox and tell them that all workers have to vote on all decisions or that Cargill can't decide what to spend money on without voting on all levels.

Nah fam. Not everyone gets a seat at the decision board...and thats the beautiful thing about capitalism...they don't HAVE to care what people on the bottom of the pyramid of their businesses think. If they're successful, they win. If they're not successful, they succumb to the market.

It regulates itself, with exceptions, for the most part.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Well it's good to know that I'm not speaking on solace so much as justice

Hold up...you want every private company to be run according to how you want it to be run?

As in nurses telling all hospitals how to run themselves and make financial decisions? As in factory workers telling Ford how to make every car?

You want all workers to have a say in the grand project scale of every project?

Its clear to me you've never even held a management role over anyone, much less been apart of anything significant

 

[Tate]

For CRIMINAL cases.

Not private business decisions.

This dude wants UPS to hold meetings on how everyone thinks they should run their business:

"Hey Becky thinks we should deliver all brownies to Becky's mom's house...all in favor!"

Stop this foolishness

This sort of tyrannical bullshyt is specifically what I'm trying to get you all to acknowledge. @Swavy Karl Marx would seriously run up in Xerox and tell them that all workers have to vote on all decisions or that Cargill can't decide what to spend money on without voting on all levels.

Nah fam. Not everyone gets a seat at the decision board...and thats the beautiful thing about capitalism...they don't HAVE to care what people on the bottom of the pyramid of their businesses think. If they're successful, they win. If they're not successful, they succumb to the market.

It regulates itself, with exceptions, for the most part.

You find beauty in a man deciding how another man will live his life?

A company the size of UPS would need to have elected reps I would think.

How is democracy tyrannical? You sound like the men who said freeing the slaves would be tantamount to putting whites in slavery,

I'm not telling anyone how to run anything. I'm reasonably sure most if not all workers would prefer to vote on matters rather than accept orders. Democracy doesn't mean a lack of structure, it means a lack of domination.

You too believe in the fairy tale of Free markets? At least get @DEAD7 in here to help if you're gonna bark up that tree of nonsense.

 

[Tate]

Hold up...you want every private company to be run according to how you want it to be run?

As in nurses telling all hospitals how to run themselves and make financial decisions? As in factory workers telling Ford how to make every car?

You want all workers to have a say in the grand project scale of every project?

Its clear to me you've never even held a management role over anyone, much less been apart of anything significant

Private company is a misnomer. He who does the work owns the product. I want all the workers/owners to have a say in their enterprise.

I would assume nurses would listen to accountants and assembly line men would listen to engineers. They have a vested interest in logic here. Again, not a dictatorship, a democracy.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You find beauty in a man deciding how another man will live his life?

A company the size of UPS would need to have elected reps I would think.

How is democracy tyrannical? You sound like the men who said freeing the slaves would be tantamount to putting whites in slavery,

I'm not telling anyone how to run anything. I'm reasonably sure most if not all workers would prefer to vote on matters rather than accept orders. Democracy doesn't mean a lack of structure, it means a lack of domination.

You too believe in the fairy tale of Free markets? At least get @DEAD7 in here to help if you're gonna bark up that tree of nonsense.

lack of domination?

Fam, there are bosses....and the UPS doesnt need door knockers telling the company how to run its business

 

[JahFocus CS]

Try to diminish a job like mail sorting, delivery people, etc., yet if these people weren't around, the company wouldn't be able to function.

All labor is worthy of regard. This is a tenet that the working class needs to put at the center of its struggle.

 

[Tate]

lack of domination?

Fam, there are bosses....and the UPS doesnt need door knockers telling the company how to run its business

Why not? Does a door knocker not a vested interest in UPS' success? Does he not understand aspects of the business better than executives?

If these people are as smart as you make them out to be, they should have no trouble convincing a majority of thier laborers That they're right.

Are you sure you aren't a monarchist? I feel like I'm speaking with Hobbes.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why not? Does a door knocker not a vested interest in UPS' success? Does he not understand aspects of the business better than executives?

No. He doesn't.

Again, you seem to not understand that specialization and vertical integration goes above the head of most low level workers. Theres more to UPS than delivering packages. Hell, I knew people that used to work in corporate there.

If these people are as smart as you make them out to be, they should have no trouble convincing a majority of thier laborers That they're right.

You have no right to tell a private company how they run their business

Are you sure you aren't a monarchist? I feel like I'm speaking with Hobbes.

Stop equating private companies with government

 

[tmonster]

Human perfectibility is the basis for all liberal thought. It's the whole Hobbes vs Locke debate that frames our modern discourse on human behaviour. Liberals tend to believe that institutions and social conventions are responsible for making people "bad" so their solutions are centred around removing those constraints, which would allow people to realize their true "good" nature. "Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains." Communism is especially beholden to this idea, as the whole end goal is the removal of the oppressive bourgeoise class, which would ostensibly allow the proletariat to be free and happy. Without the belief in the innate goodness of people, there's no reason to believe that the removal of these oppressive conditions would usher in this communist utopia. If the disease of greed and domination is already within us all, why would removal of one segment of the population result in the eradication of the disease? All it would be doing is making new masters out of old slaves, as history has shown us to be the case. If you believe that the "negative" traits people exhibit are inherent, you tend to seek out systems that aren't predicated on the eradication of these traits, but rather acknowledge and harness them. This isn't exaggerated, it's pretty basic social theory.



These protests were all great things, but none of them have had the impact on alleviating suffering that Capitalism has had. They were primarily concerned with ensuring social equality, I'm talking about the suffering of a hungry child or a cold mother. Capitalism has been the single greatest tool for increasing the prosperity and standard of living for ordinary people in human history. It wasn't a protest that discovered electricity or developed the high-yield crops that have saved billions from starvation, it was the the wave of innovation unleashed by capitalism. Protests are good for bringing attention to social issues, which can definitely be construed as suffering, but when you look at history using a wide lens, it's capitalism that stands out. And a free market is usually a force in favour of widespread proliferation, because it provides the inventor with an incentive to make their product available to the masses. "We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles." - Thomas Edison. If I'm not expecting commensurate compensation for my innovative product, what incentive is there?

Honestly you are wasting my time

 

[Tate]

No. He doesn't.

Again, you seem to not understand that specialization and vertical integration goes above the head of most low level workers. Theres more to UPS than delivering packages. Hell, I knew people that used to work in corporate there.
You have no right to tell a private company how they run their business


Stop equating private companies with government

You don't believe a door knocker understands his work better than an executive ? Interesting stance.

Ok. Again, this is a democracy not a dictatorship. Everyone has a say. If this is all apparent as you say it'll be easy to explain and justify.

I don't believe a company can be private. We've been over this. It's the crux of our disagreement.

Stop using arguments that only make logical sense if you're a monarchist or oligarchist.

 

[tmonster]

You're again, not being genuine here. None of this directly addresses the flaws of capitalism.

you're a hypocritical idiot because you pretend not to see that that is not what I was addressing, thereby moving the goal post of my argument, creating a straw man to argue with

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

you're a hypocritical idiot because you pretend not to see that that is no what I was addressing, thereby moving the goal post of my argument, creating a straw man to argue with

If you want to make an argument against modern capitalism, starting with slavery isn't what i'd call a respectable argument

 

[JahFocus CS]

you're a hypocritical idiot because you pretend not to see that that is no what I was addressing, thereby moving the goal post of my argument, creating a straw man to argue with

He's the WOAT poster, all he does is use strawman arguments.

He's basically at @theworldismine13 levels. That's horrendously embarrassing.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You don't believe a door knocker understands his work better than an executive ? Interesting stance.

Ok. Again, this is a democracy not a dictatorship. Everyone has a say. If this is all apparent as you say it'll be easy to explain and justify.

I don't believe a company can be private. We've been over this. It's the crux of our disagreement.

Stop using arguments that only make logical sense if you're a monarchist or oligarchist.

Absolutely.

Executives plan the routes, get the bag man paid, create efficiencies in getting the bag man his bags, etc.

Merely working at a company doesn't mean you deserve a seat in the C-Suite. You really think shyt is just that simple in a corporation, huh? As if there aren't moving parts on a scale low level employees would never understand

 

[King Kreole]

Honestly you are wasting my time