Whole Foods' Co-Founder John Mackey: "Why Intellectuals Hate Capitalism"

[Tate]

Except you have a passport....

And the price of tea doesn't affect my views on abortion

See how this works? Stop bringing up unrelated bullshyt

get the terms right

KInda. RElationships also matter, but theres no other way to determine value outside of hard objective universally agreed upon measures.

What do you prefer? HP? Emotion points?
More commie fearmongering

Another equally vapid phrase devoid of any substance.

Democracy in the work force....

Who writes this shyt?

Unfortunately I need one to travel yes.

Our differing views on property are actually the core issue of our debate here. Very relevant.

What terms did I mess up? You brought up the Black Power Movement. I pointed out that prominent members of that movement where Marxists. You pivoted to the Civil Rights movement. I pointed out that virtually all major leaders of that movement had socialist leanings. Where's the mistake?

I'd prefer a man be judged on his accomplishments and character.

Not fearmongerring. Just laying out my beliefs.

Yeah fukk democracy shyts stupid right? Thinking people have a say in their lives smh more commie bs

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Unfortunately I need one to travel yes.

Our differing views on property are actually the core issue of our debate here. Very relevant.

What terms did I mess up? You brought up the Black Power Movement. I pointed out that prominent members of that movement where Marxists. You pivoted to the Civil Rights movement. I pointed out that virtually all major leaders of that movement had socialist leanings. Where's the mistake?

I'd prefer a man be judged on his accomplishments and character.

Not fearmongerring. Just laying out my beliefs.

Yeah fukk democracy shyts stupid right? Thinking people have a say in their lives smh more commie bs

I don't think democracy is universally a "great" idea...but you don't even specific what "democratization" of the workplace even means, so how can I take it seriously?

 

[King Kreole]

Any source or evidence for these three claims you make here? They sound exaggerated and generalized as f*ck

Human perfectibility is the basis for all liberal thought. It's the whole Hobbes vs Locke debate that frames our modern discourse on human behaviour. Liberals tend to believe that institutions and social conventions are responsible for making people "bad" so their solutions are centred around removing those constraints, which would allow people to realize their true "good" nature. "Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains." Communism is especially beholden to this idea, as the whole end goal is the removal of the oppressive bourgeoise class, which would ostensibly allow the proletariat to be free and happy. Without the belief in the innate goodness of people, there's no reason to believe that the removal of these oppressive conditions would usher in this communist utopia. If the disease of greed and domination is already within us all, why would removal of one segment of the population result in the eradication of the disease? All it would be doing is making new masters out of old slaves, as history has shown us to be the case. If you believe that the "negative" traits people exhibit are inherent, you tend to seek out systems that aren't predicated on the eradication of these traits, but rather acknowledge and harness them. This isn't exaggerated, it's pretty basic social theory.

By my observation the greatest force for alleviating human suffering has been Protest and revolutions and sometimes violent revolutions
From the slave revolts of the antebellum south to the civil war to the great labor riots of the gilded age to the civil rights movement, history is replete with examples of how capitalism would benefit the few until the poor and disenfranchised "demanded" their share.

These protests were all great things, but none of them have had the impact on alleviating suffering that Capitalism has had. They were primarily concerned with ensuring social equality, I'm talking about the suffering of a hungry child or a cold mother. Capitalism has been the single greatest tool for increasing the prosperity and standard of living for ordinary people in human history. It wasn't a protest that discovered electricity or developed the high-yield crops that have saved billions from starvation, it was the the wave of innovation unleashed by capitalism. Protests are good for bringing attention to social issues, which can definitely be construed as suffering, but when you look at history using a wide lens, it's capitalism that stands out. And a free market is usually a force in favour of widespread proliferation, because it provides the inventor with an incentive to make their product available to the masses. "We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles." - Thomas Edison. If I'm not expecting commensurate compensation for my innovative product, what incentive is there?

 

[JahFocus CS]

Yeah fukk democracy shyts stupid right? Thinking people have a say in their lives smh more commie bs

Crazy how they can share talking points and ideological lineage with aristocrats, monarchists, and slaveholders, and not bat an eye But simultaneously try to denounce them and say "well this is different"

 

[Tate]

I don't think democracy is universally a "great" idea...but you don't even specific what "democratization" of the workplace even means, so how can I take it seriously?

Well you never asked but one would think it's a self evident question.

Instead of allowing executives to make unilateral decisions, the workforce of a company would vote on issues. Either directly or through elected representatives.

You don't think democracy is good?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Well you never asked but one would think it's a self evident question.

Instead of allowing executives to make unilateral decisions, the workforce of a company would vote on issues. Either directly or through elected representatives.

You don't think democracy is good?

HELL no.

Oh my god...what the fukk are you smoking?

Fam, dudes in the mailroom don't need to be making decisions on how billion dollar companies are led

 

[Tate]

HELL no.

Oh my god...what the fukk are you smoking?

Fam, dudes in the mailroom don't need to be making decisions on how billion dollar companies are led

They said the same thing about the peasantry/blacks/women not needing to be making decisions about how a nation is ran.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

They said the same thing about the peasantry/blacks/women not needing to be making decisions about how a nation is ran.

because peasantry doesn't run fukking nations

Blacks and women who are educated can have a shot now...but a fukking tire salesman isn't going to be doing much of that

 

[Tate]

because peasantry doesn't run fukking nations

Blacks and women who are educated can have a shot now...but a fukking tire salesman isn't going to be doing much of that

They don't. But they have a say. You know, democracy.

Are you a monarchist?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

They don't. But they have a say. You know, democracy.

Are you a monarchist?

No i'm not a monarchist, but Google decisions should not be fukking VOTED ON by fresh college graduates

What the fukk is wrong with you son?

Not everything is meant to be decided by a jury

 

[Tate]

No i'm not a monarchist, but Google decisions should not be fukking VOTED ON by fresh college graduates

What the fukk is wrong with you son?

Not everything is meant to be decided by a jury

So do you support voter ID laws and efforts to restrict the vote to landholders/income tax payers?

You understand this isn't a dictatorship of mailroom workers im proposing here correct? Everyone gets a say. If you can't convince the rubes stacking letters that you're worth your salary or the company needs to expand maybe you shouldn't.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

No i'm not a monarchist, but Google decisions should not be fukking VOTED ON by fresh college graduates

What the fukk is wrong with you son?

Not everything is meant to be decided by a jury

The jury system in America works well though.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So do you support voter ID laws and efforts to restrict the vote to landholders/income tax payers?

You understand this isn't a dictatorship of mailroom workers im proposing here correct? Everyone gets a say. If you can't convince the rubes stacking letters that you're worth your salary or the company needs to expand maybe you shouldn't.

I don't find any solace in telling companies how to run themselves.

 

[Madvillain]

 

[Tate]

I don't find any solace in telling companies how to run themselves.

Well it's good to know that I'm not speaking on solace so much as justice