Who was the greater leader, Julius Caesar or Augustus Caesar?

[Devilinurear]

Octavian was trash as a military leader, Agrippa was the key to his military success. Caesar didn't rule long enough to be comparable to Octavian domestically.

Octavian survived while ceaser could not. He is a better leader.

 

[Vandelay]

Technically speaking, it's Octavian.

@Trajan

What say you?

 

[Sinnerman]

If y'all are interested, you should check out the HIstory of Rome podcast by Mike Duncan

It's on spotify, and pretty much details the Romans from their founding to the fall of the Western Roman Empire

 

[Sukairain]

Caesar for me is just a much more exciting, romantic sort of figure. It's why he had the love of the people and why he's been such a compelling figure for over 2000 years. It's why Shakespeare wrote a play about him and why to this day there are movies about him. Octavian was a more cold, ruthless sort of operator. Caesar was at the forefront of Rome's cultural revolution. He dressed with flair and was Rome's most fashionable man decades before he became anything in politics or in the army; he set every fashion trend that was being copied ten years down the track by others like P. Clodius Pulcher. He slept around freely, and threw the city's hottest parties. He was that kind of guy whom all the cool crowd liked. He made being against the Senate and for the people cool just because that's what he was about and everyone wanted to dress like him, walk like him, fukk around like him, party like him, and hell even do politics like him. Caesar's charisma must have been so powerful, one only need look at the time he spent with the pirates who captured him as a young man and how he befriended them all, and also look at the fierce and unending loyalty of all the soldiers he commanded.

Octavian on the other hand was a rigid moralistic conservative, totally divorced from the radical counter-culture Caesar helped create. Look at how he treated poets like Ovid who lived a Caesarian lifestyle and wrote about it too. And look also at the laws he passed which were all about restoring the outdated traditional Roman morality that people had been paying lip service to since basically the end of the Second Punic War almost two centuries previously. Nobody likes a boring conservative wet blanket ass killjoy, hence Octavian just doesn't compare to Caesar as far as public acclaim and lasting impact on popular culture do. Who wants to watch a movie or play about Octavian?

A comparison between them is like comparing Avon (Caesar) to Marlo (Octavian) from The Wire. One ends up in jail/assassinated and the other walks free/dies naturally. But who was the greater man? Avon, no question

 

[Sugar]

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[MBwithadream]

Julius off the strength that he was black

 

[UncleTomFord15]

fukk both those crackers . But don't forget about the time the one eyed African Queen known as Amanirenas made the infamous Alexander the Great fall all the way back.

 

[Antwon Mitchell]

Caeser Salad better than both of them...


Seriously.

 

[Dave24]

fukk both those crackers . But don't forget about the time the one eyed African Queen known as Amanirenas made the infamous Alexander the Great fall all the way back.

Julius Caesar was black.

 

[Low End Derrick]

caesar was black?

makes sense given that most black men got that haircut

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Julius was a mulatto?

From what I remember his paternal ancestry was from North Africa. Also one of his great uncles was an Ethiopian king. Not much is known about his mothers side

 

[Kwabena]

The one who wasn't assassinated by his own peoples

 

[BmoreGorilla]

caesar was black?

makes sense given that most black men got that haircut

Of course they fukked the nose up

 

[Sinnerman]

Caesar for me is just a much more exciting, romantic sort of figure. It's why he had the love of the people and why he's been such a compelling figure for over 2000 years. It's why Shakespeare wrote a play about him and why to this day there are movies about him. Octavian was a more cold, ruthless sort of operator. Caesar was at the forefront of Rome's cultural revolution. He dressed with flair and was Rome's most fashionable man decades before he became anything in politics or in the army; he set every fashion trend that was being copied ten years down the track by others like P. Clodius Pulcher. He slept around freely, and threw the city's hottest parties. He was that kind of guy whom all the cool crowd liked. He made being against the Senate and for the people cool just because that's what he was about and everyone wanted to dress like him, walk like him, fukk around like him, party like him, and hell even do politics like him. Caesar's charisma must have been so powerful, one only need look at the time he spent with the pirates who captured him as a young man and how he befriended them all, and also look at the fierce and unending loyalty of all the soldiers he commanded.

Octavian on the other hand was a rigid moralistic conservative, totally divorced from the radical counter-culture Caesar helped create. Look at how he treated poets like Ovid who lived a Caesarian lifestyle and wrote about it too. And look also at the laws he passed which were all about restoring the outdated traditional Roman morality that people had been paying lip service to since basically the end of the Second Punic War almost two centuries previously. Nobody likes a boring conservative wet blanket ass killjoy, hence Octavian just doesn't compare to Caesar as far as public acclaim and lasting impact on popular culture do. Who wants to watch a movie or play about Octavian?

A comparison between them is like comparing Avon (Caesar) to Marlo (Octavian) from The Wire. One ends up in jail/assassinated and the other walks free/dies naturally. But who was the greater man? Avon, no question

And only to come back a few years later and kill them all

I agree that Julius Caesar was by far the more interesting figure than Caesar Augustus. Hell, I even find Marc Antony more interesting. I still think Octavian/Augustus is the better leader

That kind of cold calculating, ruthless leader typically always lasts. I also think that Octavian had the benefit of learning from the mistakes that Julius Caesar made(Augustus knew who to kill, and who to spare for publicity. Forgoing a lot of the ceremony that Julius indulged in etc.)

 

[The Fade]

From what I remember his paternal ancestry was from North Africa. Also one of his great uncles was an Ethiopian king. Not much is known about his mothers side

Do you mean septimus Severus?