Who was the greater leader, Julius Caesar or Augustus Caesar?

[Stone Cold]

Caligula

 

[chuckifubuck]

Wow julius really had a come up! Any good books you reccomend on ancient rome?

Most of the shyt I know is from History of Rome podcast wich is really good. Dude who made that podcast wrote a book but it was about the generation before Caesar's.

If you want just the death of the republic stuff Dan Carlin's Harcore History has a really long ass podcast all about it.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

caesar was black?

makes sense given that most black men got that haircut

 

[JadeB]

“He is every woman’s man and every man’s woman.”


"Home we bring our bald whoremonger;
Romans, lock your wives away!
All the bags of gold you lent him
Went his Gallic tarts to pay."
- Tenth Legion during Caesar's Gallic Triumph

There is also a historical rumor that Caesar demanded the bussy of young Octavian in order to win his favor...

Wasn't Octavian/Augustus his nephew

 

[Food Mane]

Caesar for me is just a much more exciting, romantic sort of figure. It's why he had the love of the people and why he's been such a compelling figure for over 2000 years. It's why Shakespeare wrote a play about him and why to this day there are movies about him. Octavian was a more cold, ruthless sort of operator. Caesar was at the forefront of Rome's cultural revolution. He dressed with flair and was Rome's most fashionable man decades before he became anything in politics or in the army; he set every fashion trend that was being copied ten years down the track by others like P. Clodius Pulcher. He slept around freely, and threw the city's hottest parties. He was that kind of guy whom all the cool crowd liked. He made being against the Senate and for the people cool just because that's what he was about and everyone wanted to dress like him, walk like him, fukk around like him, party like him, and hell even do politics like him. Caesar's charisma must have been so powerful, one only need look at the time he spent with the pirates who captured him as a young man and how he befriended them all, and also look at the fierce and unending loyalty of all the soldiers he commanded.

Octavian on the other hand was a rigid moralistic conservative, totally divorced from the radical counter-culture Caesar helped create. Look at how he treated poets like Ovid who lived a Caesarian lifestyle and wrote about it too. And look also at the laws he passed which were all about restoring the outdated traditional Roman morality that people had been paying lip service to since basically the end of the Second Punic War almost two centuries previously. Nobody likes a boring conservative wet blanket ass killjoy, hence Octavian just doesn't compare to Caesar as far as public acclaim and lasting impact on popular culture do. Who wants to watch a movie or play about Octavian?

A comparison between them is like comparing Avon (Caesar) to Marlo (Octavian) from The Wire. One ends up in jail/assassinated and the other walks free/dies naturally. But who was the greater man? Avon, no question

Antony and Cleopatra - Wikipedia



Shakespeare's greatest history is about Octavian

 

[The Fade]

Wasn't Octavian/Augustus his nephew

Not by blood

Patricians adopted successors sometimes.

They probably got it from the Greeks where men would agree to train and tutor and pay for young men’s education if they gave up the booty.
Edit: I was wrong, nephew by blood, as a son he’s adopted

 

[Tr0yTV]

 

[Pirius Black]

Wasn't Octavian/Augustus his nephew

Octavian was indeed Caesar's nephew.

 

[mr x]

Claudius >

 

[Sbp]

Most of the shyt I know is from History of Rome podcast wich is really good. Dude who made that podcast wrote a book but it was about the generation before Caesar's.

If you want just the death of the republic stuff Dan Carlin's Harcore History has a really long ass podcast all about it.

What's the name of the first podcast and where can i find it

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Caeser Salad better than both of them...


Seriously.

u know one of the caesers was boo'd up with nicomedes iv

 

[chuckifubuck]

What's the name of the first podcast and where can i find it

First one is History of Rome by Mike Duncan, you can find it on spotify and im sure any other place that has podcasts. shyt is like 170 episodes long and starts from the beggining beggining, so its an undertaking but its worth it.

 

[Sbp]

First one is History of Rome by Mike Duncan, you can find it on spotify and im sure any other place that has podcasts. shyt is like 170 episodes long and starts from the beggining beggining, so its an undertaking but its worth it.

Thanks

 

[Dave24]

First one is History of Rome by Mike Duncan, you can find it on spotify and im sure any other place that has podcasts. shyt is like 170 episodes long and starts from the beggining beggining, so its an undertaking but its worth it.

Thanks gonna check it out!

 

[intra vires]

Wow julius really had a come up! Any good books you reccomend on ancient rome?

Caesar: The Life of a Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy, Rubicon by Tom Holland, and The Poison King by Adrienne Mayor are all really good. The latter isn't specifically about Rome it's about Mithridates; however, he's so heavily tied to Rome that I always recommend it with these other books.

I heard Augustus by Goldsworhy and Dynasty: The Rise and Fall of the House of Caesar by Holland are both good but I haven't read either yet (I do own a copy of Augustus though).

I haven't heard anything about In the Name of Rome or How Rome Fell, both by Goldsworthy, but given the quality if his work I'm sure they're good and both are on my list when I get back to reading about Roman history.