Who should be ranked higher P4P: Errol Spence or Teofimo Lopez?

[Bigblackted4]

Nah bro & I knew you'd quote me

Kell Brook was damaged goods after taking the GGG beatdown; that's a fact. And still Spence went life & death with him till he got worn down . Commey you can make the argument for but he arguably beat Easter & Nakatani showed why he gave Teo the problems he did. The problem with your statement with him is he didn't get stopped & came back & knocked Verdejo out. That's heart & the exact reason Teo had trouble with him besides the height/reach advantage. You can't teach that

I only came with the statement after you cane with the statement of life and death. Nakatani gave Teo problems but you see Porter and Brook have Spence problems. Levels. Porter and Brook have given everybody they’ve touched a ring with problems. They are higher rated more accomplished and better than Nakatani. Commey loss to Easter and didn’t he lose to Chaniev. He got his title of Beltran. That’s his win. That ain’t it. Porter got his title from Swift then defended against Ugas. Brook got his title from Porter in America at that. Levels.

 

[Bigblackted4]

There are also cards with Porter arguably winning the fight with those scores

Me..my score was 114-113 Spence only because of that knockdown...it was very much life and death

If we polled people on the fight I bet 115-112 and 116-111 get more votes that 114-113. Porter got credit because the fight was in close not because he actually landed the harder shots or even was more active because he wasn’t either.

 

[desjardins]

I wanna say Spence cause i'm more familiar with his body of work/length of relevant resume
but
Lopez got a win that shyts on any of Spences and Commey might even be equivalent to Spence best win


I'ma say Spence because ultimately I think he's a better fighter despite Lopez looking more dominant in his big wins. I guess I need to see even more of Lopez to be sure he really that.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Keep in mind the only reason he isnt legit undisputed is because lomachenko pulled a fast one. But he is the lineal lightweight champion..Lopez rules his division a and actually wants to tie up that loose end..definitely more than Spence ruling welterweight because Spence keeps having other fighters keep taking his work and is busy having he said this, he said that with Crawford

So Because Spence is in a deeper division he gets penalized instead of just comparing who each beat.

 

[Bigblackted4]

Also Mikey is better than Loma. It’s not a better win but Mikey is better than Loma. That’s all

 

[patscorpio]

So Because Spence is in a deeper division he gets penalized instead of just comparing who each beat.

I dont consider welterweight deeper than lightweight esp not now

 

[patscorpio]

Deep is 154..that's why what Mell has done impresses me more than Spence

 

[Knicksman20]

I only came with the statement after you cane with the statement of life and death. Nakatani gave Teo problems but you see Porter and Brook have Spence problems. Levels. Porter and Brook have given everybody they’ve touched a ring with problems. They are higher rated more accomplished and better than Nakatani. Commey loss to Easter and didn’t he lose to Chaniev. He got his title of Beltran. That’s his win. That ain’t it. Porter got his title from Swift then defended against Ugas. Brook got his title from Porter in America at that. Levels.

Because Spence went life & death with Porter; it's something you have to come to grips with. Even the judges got the scores right. Like I said before, Brook was damaged goods & coming down from 160. And yet Spence went life & death with him too. Teo hasn't really struggled with anyone & put a dominant & clear decision over one of the top 3 fighters in the world. Levels

 

[Conscious Pilot]

shyt I got them both in my Top 5. I’d have to say Spence by the slightest of Margins but I have Teo and Jermell right behind him. And a legit argument can be made for both guys>> Spence P4P wise.


Also why does Spence even get all this P4P talk when Thurman did this 4 years ago and never got mentioned in Top 10’s

 

[Bigblackted4]

Because Spence went life & death with Porter; it's something you have to come to grips with. Even the judges got the scores right. Like I said before, Brook was damaged goods & coming down from 160. And yet Spence went life & death with him too. Teo hasn't really struggled with anyone & put a dominant & clear decision over one of the top 3 fighters in the world. Levels

Spence has dominate and clear decisions against Danny and Mikey plus stopped Peterson who actually was coming off a decent run. Do those wins not count against he’s had a longer and better track record.

 

[Bigblackted4]

shyt I got them both in my Top 5. I’d have to say Spence by the slightest of Margins but I have Teo and Jermell right behind him. And a legit argument can be made for both guys>> Spence P4P wise.


Also why does Spence even get all this P4P talk when Thurman did this 4 years ago and never got mentioned in Top 10’s

He had two wins were he really did go life and death with both. He doesn’t have the secondary wins or the stoppages. Where’s his Mikey Garcia, where’s his Kell Brook stoppage where’s his dominate win over Danny.

 

[Knicksman20]

Spence has dominate and clear decisions against Danny and Mikey plus stopped Peterson who actually was coming off a decent run. Do those wins not count against he’s had a longer and better track record.

The Swift W is solid & especially under the circumstances but there's more guys that feel like @patscorpio that never really thought much of Swift; especially at WW. Spence gets full credit for that one to me. The other 2 are undersized guys (especially Peterson) that are more 140 fighters than WW fighters

 

[Omar Little]

Also Mikey is better than Loma. It’s not a better win but Mikey is better than Loma. That’s all

How’s Mikey better?

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

shyt I got them both in my Top 5. I’d have to say Spence by the slightest of Margins but I have Teo and Jermell right behind him. And a legit argument can be made for both guys>> Spence P4P wise.


Also why does Spence even get all this P4P talk when Thurman did this 4 years ago and never got mentioned in Top 10’s

Its because Spence always had a bigger and more dedicated stan base to push that best welter narrative.

Any time Thurman did something big, Thurminators had to argue with nikkas moving goal posts.
Made you feel like beating Porter and Swift wasn't enough cuz Brook was somewhere out there.

 

[Bigblackted4]

The Swift W is solid & especially under the circumstances but there's more guys that feel like @patscorpio that never really thought much of Swift; especially at WW. Spence gets full credit for that one to me. The other 2 are undersized guys (especially Peterson) that are more 140 fighters than WW fighters

Loma is an undersized guy for the division