Who should be ranked higher P4P: Errol Spence or Teofimo Lopez?

[Conscious Pilot]

He's a technical fighter he's harder to beat then fighters that will come forward like a Loma tank etc. With Haney as he gets older and better he's going to be significantly hard to beat. He has height speed and reach on top of defense. He might not have top tier power but he absolutely can make you think about rushing into him, I'd bet on him to beat everyone at 135 because of that. Teo or Ryan doesn't want to have to think, they want someone who will just rush up on them.

I agree with all of this .. hopefully he finally fights someone worth a shyt soon though

 

[TheProfessor]

This entire thread is about that mythical list, so obviously a lot of people care.

Loma is way more accomplished than either Tank or Haney. Facts.

Teo beat Commey and Loma while 'ducking' Haney, yet I bet most people couldn't even name a single fighter Haney beat before Gamboa.

I'm also willing to go out and say that if Tank or Devin beat Loma first, wouldn't no one have shyt to say about Loma being overhyped/overrated. It's a great win for a young fighter, and it's ridiculous to say otherwise.

Loma may be more “accomplished” than either Tank or Haney but we’re looking at the quality of the win. It was at 135-pounds where Loma’s “accomplishments” are decent at best. I don’t rate Loma higher at 135 than I do the 147-pounders Errol beat

 

[patscorpio]

all this Lomachenko hate....its funny

i could swear there were a lot of people on his jock when he was doing his thing..esp on here

im musing one of 2 things happened for this change of heart

1. TR putting the machine behind him (the infamous 14-0-1 record shyt for example)
2. Lomachenko being seen as the 1 P4P over the likes to Ward/Crawford


regardless all these cats with the Lomachenko hate are looking real unfamiliar to me

 

[TheProfessor]

I can’t speak for others but while I thought Loma was a very good fighter, I never believed the Top Rank hype machine. Dumbass boxing writers had him pound for pound before he beat Russell. So you know the hype is crazy. And I’m still not buying. At the end of the day, he’s got some good wins and he also lost to a prospect and a has been. More important, he’s not that good at 135 so the quality of the win isn’t as impressive as beating him at 126.

 

[FreedMind]

I can’t speak for others but while I thought Loma was a very good fighter, I never believed the Top Rank hype machine. Dumbass boxing writers had him pound for pound before he beat Russell. So you know the hype is crazy. And I’m still not buying. At the end of the day, he’s got some good wins and he also lost to a prospect and a has been. More important, he’s not that good at 135 so the quality of the win isn’t as impressive as beating him at 126.

Porter has lost to Thurman Brook and Spence. Never been a P4P fighter. Where's the quality in win there?

Danny lost to Thurman Porter and Spence. Where's the quality in win there?

Mikey Garcia literally had never fought at 147. Where's the quality in win there?

Lomachenko was a 2x gold medal winner, 3 division world champion, undefeated at and unified at 135. That's not hype, those are RESULTS.

What else has to be said?

If Tank Haney or Garcia beat Loma, everyone would be calling them the real deal. It's asinine to try and downplay that victory for Teo.

 

[Conscious Pilot]

I can’t speak for others but while I thought Loma was a very good fighter, I never believed the Top Rank hype machine. Dumbass boxing writers had him pound for pound before he beat Russell. So you know the hype is crazy. And I’m still not buying. At the end of the day, he’s got some good wins and he also lost to a prospect and a has been. More important, he’s not that good at 135 so the quality of the win isn’t as impressive as beating him at 126.

We calling someone who won a World Title by KO a Prospect now?


And a guy with 3 belts isnt that good in the Division?

 

[Loose]

We calling someone who won a World Title by KO a Prospect now?


And a guy with 3 belts isnt that good in the Division?

I don't think Lomas resume at 135 is good, I'm old enough to remember when he struggled against linares and Luke Campbell right before the fight. His most dominant win at 35 was pedraza, top rank did a good job fast tracking him at 35 but he has never looked good there.

 

[TheProfessor]

Porter has lost to Thurman Brook and Spence. Never been a P4P fighter. Where's the quality in win there?

Danny lost to Thurman Porter and Spence. Where's the quality in win there?

Mikey Garcia literally had never fought at 147. Where's the quality in win there?

Lomachenko was a 2x gold medal winner, 3 division world champion, undefeated at and unified at 135. That's not hype, those are RESULTS.

What else has to be said?

If Tank Haney or Garcia beat Loma, everyone would be calling them the real deal. It's asinine to try and downplay that victory for Teo.

If you have to add his amateur background (of course you do), you lost already. We’re talking pros here.

I noticed you pointed out who the top welters lost to (each other) yet didn’t list the titles they’ve won yet you did the opposite for Loma because he hasn’t beaten anyone worth my dikk since God knows when.

 

[TheProfessor]

We calling someone who won a World Title by KO a Prospect now?


And a guy with 3 belts isnt that good in the Division?

depends on who he beat for those belts. Yeah that matters

 

[FreedMind]

If you have to add his amateur background (of course you do), you lost already. We’re talking pros here.

I noticed you pointed out who the top welters lost to (each other) yet didn’t list the titles they’ve won yet you did the opposite for Loma because he hasn’t beaten anyone worth my dikk since God knows when.

 

[Ducktales]

Embarrassing