Who killed WCW produced by The Rock

[YakSpiller]

I’m in just for Big Kev.

You know he finna say some hilarious shyt. The OZ story alone was

“…Oz is a place.”

 

[El Poyo Loco]

"Idiots everywhere. It was mind boggling "

Bret's the best

He's so damn blunt with it love him for his bluntness. He says he gets it from his mom his mom is from Brooklyn it makes sense

 

[OGBobbyJohnson]

That's because when ECW ended, it was still beloved, when WCW ended, people were mostly hate-watching. The last days of WCW was so bad it cancelled out the goodwill the good years had brought. People still loved watching ECW in it's final days.

this..ECW lost all their top talent to WWE & WCW..WCW was just absolutely terrible at the end

 

[Dillah810]

this..ECW lost all their top talent to WWE & WCW..WCW was just absolutely terrible at the end

Even with that, Paul Heyman was really good at creating new stars who become just as over as the ones he lost. He loses Shane Douglas, Dean Malenko, Saturn, Eddie Guerrorro, Rey Mysterio, Raven; he pushes Taz, Sandman, Tommy Dreamer, Super Crazy, RVD, the Dudleys, Sabu, Mikey Whipwreck. He loses Taz & the Dudleys. he pushes Justin Credible, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, Tajiri, and the bWo.

ECW never had a period where they were missing stars. The new people that get pushed become just as popular.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

"Idiots everywhere. It was mind boggling "

Bret's the best

If nothing else...... we get quotables from HitGOAT.... how can we not watch

 

[Metal Face]

hope this isn't biased/revisionist like them Vince era WWE docs

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

hope this isn't biased/revisionist like them Vince era WWE docs

Gewirtz is involved in this. He claims that it's not the classic "WWE revisionist history" take and that TKO doesn't mind this series because it has nothing to really do with WWE on the whole.

 

[Wolfpac]

Also Jamie Kellner was the one who ultimately killed WCW, because he was the one who cancelled all WCW programming after he became head of the Turner Broadcasting System. That tanked WCW's value, allowing Vince to swoop in and buy it for cheap.

 

[Love Sosa]

Shoutout Rock for getting good talking heads (Eric, Nash, Bret, Sullivan, Flair, etc) for something like this. The AOL/Time Warner Merger is the real answer to the question but everyone knows how much fukkery WCW had TV and booking wise.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Maybe it's just me but it's interesting that WCW and ECW got dismantled around the same time period but most people always look back on ECW with fondness and delight and we still scream "E-C-DUB!" to this very day yet when most people look back at WCW its out of sadness and confusion especially during the last couple of chaotic years... I never heard a "DUB-C-DUB!" chant a day in my life.

ECW was still in high demand. It was a mom and pop deli that had Subway demands and couldn't keep up

 

[blues_funk_reggae]

Maybe it's just me but it's interesting that WCW and ECW got dismantled around the same time period but most people always look back on ECW with fondness and delight and we still scream "E-C-DUB!" to this very day yet when most people look back at WCW its out of sadness and confusion especially during the last couple of chaotic years... I never heard a "DUB-C-DUB!" chant a day in my life.

ECW was still trying to give their fanbase something of value, whether it was story lines, pushing new talent like Justin Credible, Kid Kash, Tajiri, Steve Corino, Ryno, etc. They were still showing effort. They still wanted to produce stories, good wrestling, hardcore wrestling, hot women, etc. ECW came crashing down when they tried to get on TNN and it failed hard, Paul had little choice but to sell and go work for Vince. They still had an audience that just never went away. See 'One Night Stand'

On the other hand, with WCW I was there before Hogan turned heel, all through 96, and 97, by 98 I was tapping out on WCW, the sh*t was unwatchable. They had taken a big sh*t on their southern rassling fans and continued to do so with stunts like the fingerpoke. WCW became an absolute sh*t show and it was embarrassing. By 01-02 I was done with wrestling completely.

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

ECW was still trying to give their fanbase something of value, whether it was story lines, pushing new talent like Justin Credible, Kid Kash, Tajiri, Steve Corino, Ryno, etc. They were still showing effort. They still wanted to produce stories, good wrestling, hardcore wrestling, hot women, etc. ECW came crashing down when they tried to get on TNN and it failed hard, Paul had little choice but to sell and go work for Vince. They still had an audience that just never went away. See 'One Night Stand'

On the other hand, with WCW I was there before Hogan turned heel, all through 96, and 97, by 98 I was tapping out on WCW, the sh*t was unwatchable. They had taken a big sh*t on their southern rassling fans and continued to do so with stunts like the fingerpoke. WCW became an absolute sh*t show and it was embarrassing. By 01-02 I was done with wrestling completely.

And Heyman was terrible from the financial side of things. Just absolutely fukking clueless with that stuff.

 

[R=G]

Absolutely. He might have been responsible for the highs (not my opinion as I think the next original/good wrestling idea Bischoff has would be the first one) but he likes to wash his hands of enabling Hogan and all the other stupid shyt that happened.

Bischoff is as dumb as Russo and engages in arguably more double-talk than Dave. The fact that he likes to pretend he is some kind of wrestling genius. He wanted to be a real tv executive not a carny wrangler so he kept trying to shoehorn television norms into wrestling in the most perfunctory ways.

To get an idea of how creatively bankrupt he is and really hammer home the fact that he wasn't the carny wrangler as much as he became one of carnys id highly recommend The Lapsed Fans' coverage of Hogan’s TNA run.

Thats why i scoff at his podcast and his opinions..guy is a trip. He got a little two cents to say about everything..wtf

 

[R=G]

Maybe it's just me but it's interesting that WCW and ECW got dismantled around the same time period but most people always look back on ECW with fondness and delight and we still scream "E-C-DUB!" to this very day yet when most people look back at WCW its out of sadness and confusion especially during the last couple of chaotic years... I never heard a "DUB-C-DUB!" chant a day in my life.

They got dismantled because they had ZERO ANSWERS for the Rock and Austin.

 

[blues_funk_reggae]

I think if you were to answer the question, "who killed WCW?" it would have to be a breakdown like the following:

Bischoff 37%
Hogan and his contract 20%
The rise of the WWF Attitude era 14%
Booking 8%
Vince Russo 9%

etc etc

(I just threw some random numbers up there, but ya'll get the point)

I don't think the answer to the question is one answer only.