Who Is John The Baptist in ISLAM?

[ReturnOfJudah]

Ask yourself what is the “Muslim religion” then? What does it have to do with?

The Muslims have the Quran. They deal with the teachings and history of that book.

The Torah was giving to the Israelites, which John is on of. John only had dealings with the Israelites. The Arabs was around when John walked the earth and was never brought up in his historical account. So trying to tied in Muslims and Arabs to John now would be foolish.

 

[Budda]

Actually you’re actually 100% correct. Where did you get the info from?

Zuhal to Hubal

The black stone was known as “saturns emblem” and was worshiped before Islam

Seems like a lot of Muslims practices/traditions and symbols originate from planet/star/moon worship from different cultures/pagan religions throughout history

It would make sense Islam would include an undercurrent which is a mix of centuries of Arab pagan religions and sell itself as a NEW Monotheism and Abrahamic religion in disguise

And of course it has to be directly opposed to Jesus and Christianity. I wonder why?

This applies to Christianity too breh, i'm sure you know this.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

I totally agree, I grew Muslim, and while I continually follow the religion culturally I see a lot of paganism from Arab culture similar to Christianity....

How do you culturally follow a religion?

 

[Imyremeshaw]

How do you culturally follow a religion?

I'm still part of the ummah (community), attending events, showing my support.....

 

[DoubleClutch]

This applies to Christianity too breh, i'm sure you know this.

I’m a Christian. Tell me the pagan customs/traditions I do which are comparable to what is found in the religious practices of modern day Muslims

 

[DoubleClutch]

I'm still part of the ummah (community), attending events, showing my support.....

this is understandable because being Muslim is more of a culture/identity and community than a religion

That’s why it’s hard to get out of especially in Countries with Islamic law and governments

 

[Budda]

I’m a Christian. Tell me the pagan customs/traditions I do which are comparable to what is found in the religious practices of modern day Muslims

Easter, Christmas.. Even Baptism is a concept Christianity shares with older 'Pagan' societies.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Easter, Christmas.. Even Baptism is a concept Christianity shares with older 'Pagan' societies.

Nope. those holidays aren’t required by God in Judaism or even mentioned by Jesus.

Baptism is just washing or bathing which is a universal custom (religious or not) and idea that represents cleanliness. if other religions have similar practices (which represents different things) to Christian baptism it’s coincidence not copying. Christians don’t have a monopoly on the practice of “baptism” (it comes from Judaism after all) but ONLY Jesus said you must be baptized “for remission of sins” by water AND ALSO the Holy Spirit

But back to the pagan holidays.

Easter and Christmas don’t count because they aren’t see as pillars of Christianity like going to Mecca, circling a cube or touching a stone is essential to core beliefs in ISLAM or what it takes to be a good Muslim. They aren’t like Ramadan which is required to be forgiven unless I’m mistaken

Easter bunny and Santa/Christmas tree... etc are a products of secular holidays created by man for money which even non Christians celebrate. This is popular culture/capitalism not religion.

Every Christian adult knows these holidays don’t matter even if they do celebrate them out of American tradition for kids.

If you’re saying Muslims do idolatrous and Arab pagan things in Islam but don’t believe in the underlying meaning and demonic origins behind these actions then ok

But just acknowledging the pagan roots and origins of Islam should cause any Muslims to question the validity of the Quran and true identity of Allah

 

[Budda]

Nope. those holidays aren’t required by God in Judaism or even mentioned by Jesus.

Baptism is just washing or bathing which is universal custom (religions or not) and idea if other religions have similar practices (which represents different things) it’s coincidence not copying. Christians don’t have a monopoly on the practice (it comes from Judaism after all) but ONLY Jesus said you must be baptized by water AND the holy spirit

But back to the holiday. Easter and Christmas they aren’t see as pillars of Christianity like going to Mecca, circling a cube or touching a stone is essential to being a good Muslim. They aren’t like Ramadan which is required to be a good Muslim.

Those are secular holidays created by man which even non Christians celebrate. This is popular culture not religion.

Every Christian adult knows these holidays don’t matter even if they do celebrate them out of American tradition for kids.

If you’re saying Muslims do idolatrous and Arab pagan things in Islam but don’t believe in the underlying meaning and demonic origins behind these actions then ok

But just acknowledging the pagan roots and origins of Islam should cause any Muslims to question the validity of the Quran and true identity of Allah

And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.”

Do you think kissing or touching a stone is required in Islam? It isn't. Pilgrimage to Mecca is, and Ramadan is which is fasting giving to charity which Christians should also do.

What do you think of lent?

You really think Middle Eastern cultural practices never found its way into Christianity? Lets not even start with Rome..

Also one question do you believe in the trinity and why if so?

 

[DoubleClutch]

And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.”

Do you think kissing or touching a stone is required in Islam? It isn't. Pilgrimage to Mecca is, and Ramadan is which is fasting giving to charity which Christians should also do.

What do you think of lent?

You really think Middle Eastern cultural practices never found its way into Christianity? Lets not even start with Rome..

Also one question do you believe in the trinity and why if so?

I asked what pagan practices as a Christian do I do as a requirement

I’m not talking about the history of man made religion and churches like the Catholics

That’s them you have a problem with. Tell me what about Jesus teachings you have an issue with. That’s who I follow

And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.”

^^^What’s the meaning of the story above^^^^

What’s the contex of the scripture you quoted?

You Muslims and Hebrew Israelites like cherry picking single scriptures to fit some narrative/argument

Are you trying to use that scripture to say the God of Abraham is pagan influenced? Or are you trying to make room for pagan like practices in Judaism and justify it islam?

God told Abraham to sacrifice his son but we all know child sacrifice is pagan practices not allowed in Judaism

Why don’t you explain this story?

 

[Budda]

I asked what pagan practices as a Christian do I do as a requirement

I’m not talking about the history of man made religion and churches like the Catholics

That’s them you have a problem with. Tell me what about Jesus teachings you have an issue with. That’s who I follow

And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.”

^^^What’s the meaning of the story above^^^^

What’s the contex of the scripture you quoted?

You Muslims and Hebrew Israelites like cherry picking single scriptures to fit some narrative/argument

Are you trying to use that scripture to say the God of Abraham is pagan influenced? Or are you trying to make room for pagan like practices in Judaism and justify it islam?

God told Abraham to sacrifice his son but we all know child sacrifice is pagan practices not allowed in Judaism

Why don’t you explain this story?

I think you have to first tell me what you follow as a christian, do you believe in the trinity?

I have no problems with Jesus teachings, none at all, in fact i believe i'll be a better man by following them.

I wouldn't say pagan influenced, but i think its illogical that you think a group of people will be around another group of people thousands of years and they don't happen to share and interchange culture that seaps into their religious books, it just doesn't seem practical to me, this is not how things work.

That scripture was posted to show that, why did God command Moses to make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole?

 

[DoubleClutch]

I think you have to first tell me what you follow as a christian, do you believe in the trinity?

I have no problems with Jesus teachings, none at all, in fact i believe i'll be a better man by following them.

I wouldn't say pagan influenced, but i think its illogical that you think a group of people will be around another group of people thousands of years and they don't happen to share and interchange culture that seaps into their religious books, it just doesn't seem practical to me, this is not how things work.

That scripture was posted to show that, why did God command Moses to make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole?

If you are a Muslim then you don’t believe in Jesus teaching in the gospels or the historical Jesus

You believe in what an “Angel” told Muhammad to tell his followers who told you what to believe about a man named ISA

 

[MMS]

If you are a Muslim then you don’t believe in Jesus teaching in the gospels or the historical Jesus

You believe in what an “Angel” told Muhammad to tell his followers who told you what to believe about a man named ISA

lemme show you a little trick so you start seeing them properly.

when you read quran...imagine it in the voice of disneys jasmine and you are jafar or another one of her suitors

*{And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [Himself] is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:120)

The Qur’an also reads: *{And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say [unto them, O Muhammad]: Nay, but [we follow] the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters. Say [O Muslims]: We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto Us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob. and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, add that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:135-136)

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just remember Abraham sent Hagar and his firstborn son into the wilderness and God fed both of them and established them

 

[DoubleClutch]

Interesting......

And who is ISLAM mocking?

 

[Koichos]

So the sons of noah are:

Ham (Black)
Shem (The Name)
Japeth (Beauty)

So lets see, Ham-Mayim was described as the deep (black water) and the wind of God went over it when God made the heaven and the earth.

So with a little abstraction, God used Ink, Gold and Beautiful numbers to fashion a new world

But from your perspective, you believe an english dictionary is where you will bathe and drink and meditate on. Sounds like high school detention to me

I did have detention with the dance team once, I might do that

Genesis 8:1 Hebrew Text Analysis

Huh? You write 'Ham-Mayim' (i.e., חָם־מַֽיִם, which is grammatically impossible and, anyway, would not mean 'black water' even if it were in its proper construction = מַֽיִם חַמִּים), but link to הַמַּֽיִם (the definite form of מַֽיִם). Also, חָם ḥam is spelled with ח (ḥ) not ה (h), while the unrelated הַמַּֽיִם hamayim is spelled with ה (h) not ח (ḥ).