Who Is John The Baptist in ISLAM?

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I think it’s just an Arab pagan traditions from the region they couldn’t shake. Just like how they circle it like birds or something

It’s rooted in older religious traditions if you look it up.... I forget the details

And the Kabba in Yemen was destroyed so it’s not like it’s some special building designated for worship by Abraham either. It’s always been a place for idol worship

Now as for the actual black stone they kiss and rub on....... maybe you are on to something :leon:
I totally agree, I grew Muslim, and while I continually follow the religion culturally I see a lot of paganism from Arab culture similar to Christianity....
 

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I totally agree, I grew Muslim, and while I continually follow the religion culturally I see a lot of paganism from Arab culture similar to Christianity....
how did you choose that name: "Overseer of Troops" :jbhmm:

@010101 why are you sad? you go no times of your life when you arent in contact with water.
 

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all water is not life sustaining

you will suffer drinking from the sources you do

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sometimes bitter water is necessary

but only people who understand the source of water will get why I say that.

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how did you choose that name: "Overseer of Troops" :jbhmm:

@010101 why are you sad? you go no times of your life when you arent in contact with water.
I'm Moroccan and black, we don't get enough notoriety unless it comes to haratin or slave connotations

So user name is play on that, plenty of black Moroccans.....
 

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back on the thread topic, this is a hadith on John in Islam (Yahya the son of Zechariah)
Al-Harith ibn al-Ash’ari reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, Allah commanded John, the son of Zechariah, with five words to practice and to command the Children of Israel to practice. He was nearly slow to act, so Jesus said: Verily, Allah has commanded you with five words to practice and to command the Children of Israel to practice, either command them or I will. John said: I am afraid if you precede me with them, I will be swallowed by the earth or punished! So he gathered the people in the sacred house and the mosque filled as they sat upon the balcony. John said: Verily, Allah has commanded me with five words for me to practice and I command you to practice them. First, that you worship Allah without associating any partners with Him, for the parable of one who associates with Allah is that of a man who purchases a servant with his own gold or currency and he says, ‘This is my house and this is my business, so get to work and send me the profits.’ The servant gets to work, but he gives the profits to another master. Which of you would be pleased to have a servant like that? Second, Allah commands you to pray. If you pray, then do not fidget, for Allah set His face towards His servant in his prayer as long as he does not fidget. Third, I command you to fast, for the parable of that is a man amongst others with a satchel of musk. All of them are pleased and enjoy its scent, for the scent of a fasting person is more pleasant to Allah than musk. Fourth, I command you to give charity, for the parable of that is a man whose enemy has captured him and tied his hands to his neck. As they approach to strike his neck, he says, ‘I will ransom myself for a little or a lot!’ So he ransoms himself from them. Fifth, I command you to remember Allah, for the parable of that is a man who goes out with his enemy quickly following his steps, until he comes to a protected fortress and barricades himself from them. Such a servant cannot barricade himself from Satan but by remembering Allah.

The Prophet said, “And I command you with fives words with which Allah commanded me: to listen, to obey, to perform jihad, to perform emigration, and to unite with the community. For whoever splits away from the community as much as a hand span has cast off the yoke of Islam from his neck until he returns. Whoever calls to the ways of ignorance will surely be among the rubble of Hell.” A man said, “O Messenger of Allah, even if he prays and fasts?” The Prophet said, “Even if he prays and fasts, so call to the ways of Allah who has named you the Muslims, the believers, the servants of Allah.
نْ الْحَارِث الْأَشْعَرِيَّ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ أَمَرَ يَحْيَى بْنَ زَكَرِيَّا بِخَمْسِ كَلِمَاتٍ أَنْ يَعْمَلَ بِهَا وَيَأْمُرَ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنْ يَعْمَلُوا بِهَا وَإِنَّهُ كَادَ أَنْ يُبْطِئَ بِهَا فَقَالَ عِيسَى إِنَّ اللَّهَ أَمَرَكَ بِخَمْسِ كَلِمَاتٍ لِتَعْمَلَ بِهَا وَتَأْمُرَ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنْ يَعْمَلُوا بِهَا فَإِمَّا أَنْ تَأْمُرَهُمْ وَإِمَّا أَنْ آمُرَهُمْ فَقَالَ يَحْيَى أَخْشَى إِنْ سَبَقْتَنِي بِهَا أَنْ يُخْسَفَ بِي أَوْ أُعَذَّبَ فَجَمَعَ النَّاسَ فِي بَيْتِ الْمَقْدِسِ فَامْتَلَأَ الْمَسْجِدُ وَتَعَدَّوْا عَلَى الشُّرَفِ فَقَالَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ أَمَرَنِي بِخَمْسِ كَلِمَاتٍ أَنْ أَعْمَلَ بِهِنَّ وَآمُرَكُمْ أَنْ تَعْمَلُوا بِهِنَّ أَوَّلُهُنَّ أَنْ تَعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ وَلَا تُشْرِكُوا بِهِ شَيْئًا وَإِنَّ مَثَلَ مَنْ أَشْرَكَ بِاللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ رَجُلٍ اشْتَرَى عَبْدًا مِنْ خَالِصِ مَالِهِ بِذَهَبٍ أَوْ وَرِقٍ فَقَالَ هَذِهِ دَارِي وَهَذَا عَمَلِي فَاعْمَلْ وَأَدِّ إِلَيَّ فَكَانَ يَعْمَلُ وَيُؤَدِّي إِلَى غَيْرِ سَيِّدِهِ فَأَيُّكُمْ يَرْضَى أَنْ يَكُونَ عَبْدُهُ كَذَلِكَ وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ أَمَرَكُمْ بِالصَّلَاةِ فَإِذَا صَلَّيْتُمْ فَلَا تَلْتَفِتُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يَنْصِبُ وَجْهَهُ لِوَجْهِ عَبْدِهِ فِي صَلَاتِهِ مَا لَمْ يَلْتَفِتْ وَآمُرُكُمْ بِالصِّيَامِ فَإِنَّ مَثَلَ ذَلِكَ كَمَثَلِ رَجُلٍ فِي عِصَابَةٍ مَعَهُ صُرَّةٌ فِيهَا مِسْكٌ فَكُلُّهُمْ يَعْجَبُ أَوْ يُعْجِبُهُ رِيحُهَا وَإِنَّ رِيحَ الصَّائِمِ أَطْيَبُ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ مِنْ رِيحِ الْمِسْكِ وَآمُرُكُمْ بِالصَّدَقَةِ فَإِنَّ مَثَلَ ذَلِكَ كَمَثَلِ رَجُلٍ أَسَرَهُ الْعَدُوُّ فَأَوْثَقُوا يَدَهُ إِلَى عُنُقِهِ وَقَدَّمُوهُ لِيَضْرِبُوا عُنُقَهُ فَقَالَ أَنَا أَفْدِيهِ مِنْكُمْ بِالْقَلِيلِ وَالْكَثِيرِ فَفَدَى نَفْسَهُ مِنْهُمْ وَآمُرُكُمْ أَنْ تَذْكُرُوا اللَّهَ فَإِنَّ مَثَلَ ذَلِكَ كَمَثَلِ رَجُلٍ خَرَجَ الْعَدُوُّ فِي أَثَرِهِ سِرَاعًا حَتَّى إِذَا أَتَى عَلَى حِصْنٍ حَصِينٍ فَأَحْرَزَ نَفْسَهُ مِنْهُمْ كَذَلِكَ الْعَبْدُ لَا يُحْرِزُ نَفْسَهُ مِنْ الشَّيْطَانِ إِلَّا بِذِكْرِ اللَّهِ

قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَأَنَا آمُرُكُمْ بِخَمْسٍ اللَّهُ أَمَرَنِي بِهِنَّ السَّمْعُ وَالطَّاعَةُ وَالْجِهَادُ وَالْهِجْرَةُ وَالْجَمَاعَةُ فَإِنَّهُ مَنْ فَارَقَ الْجَمَاعَةَ قِيدَ شِبْرٍ فَقَدْ خَلَعَ رِبْقَةَ الْإِسْلَامِ مِنْ عُنُقِهِ إِلَّا أَنْ يَرْجِعَ وَمَنْ ادَّعَى دَعْوَى الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْ جُثَا جَهَنَّمَ فَقَالَ رَجُلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَإِنْ صَلَّى وَصَامَ قَالَ وَإِنْ صَلَّى وَصَامَ فَادْعُوا بِدَعْوَى اللَّهِ الَّذِي سَمَّاكُمْ الْمُسْلِمِينَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عِبَادَ اللَّهِ

2863 سنن الترمذي كتاب الأمثال باب ما جاء في مثل الصلاة والصيام والصدقة

2863 المحدث الترمذي خلاصة حكم المحدث حسن صحيح غريب في سنن الترمذي
:jbhmm: @Marks whenever I read anything from hadith or quran, it is as if the character is seized up and words are placed in his mouth

such that I either have to trust him who put the words in his mouth or trust another who put a word in his mouth

It seems to me, that the nature of having a word put in your mouth is a big part of both doctrines yet it is uncertain to me to discern from where the words came or why it is needed to be placed?
 
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