Who do you have higher in your All Time SG List? Allen Iverson or Clyde Drexler?

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[Majestic Pape]

Iverson's 6 best seasons:

98-99 = 28.6 ppg 41% from the field on 22 shot attempts,
4.6 assist, 4.9 rebounds, 2.3 steals, 3.5 turnovers

99-00 = 28.4 ppg 42% from the field on 24.8 shot attempts,
4.7 assist, 3.8 rebounds, 2.1 steals, 3.3 turnovers

00-01 = 31.1 ppg 42% from the field on 25.5 shot attempts,
4.6 assist, 3.8 rebounds, 2.5 steals, 3.3. turnovers

01-02 = 31.4 ppg 39% from the field on 27.8 shot attempts,
5.5. assist, 4.5 rebounds. 2.8 steals, 4 turnovers per game

04-05 = 30.7 ppg on 42% from the field on 24.2 shot attempts,
7.9 assist, 4.0 rebounds, 2.4 steals, 4.6 turnovers

05-06 = 33.0 ppg on 44.7% from the field on 25.3 shot attempts,
7.4 assist, 3.2 rebounds, 1.9 steals, 3.4 turnovers


Clyde the Glyde:

86-86 = 21.7 ppg on 50.1% from the field on 17.2 shot attempts,
6.9 assist, 6.3 rebounds, 2.5 steals, 3.1 turnovers

87-88 = 27.0 ppg on 50.6% from the field on 20.7 shot attempts,
5.8 assist, 6.6 rebounds 2.5 steals, 2.9 turnovers

88-89 = 27.2 ppg on 49.6% from the field on 21.4 shot attempts,
5.8 assist, 7.9 rebounds, 2.7 steals, 3.2 turnovers

89-90 = 23.3 ppg on 49.4% from the field on 18.6 shot attempts,
5.9 assist, 6.9 rebounds, 2.0 steals, 2.6 turnovers

90-91 = 21.5 ppg on on 48.2 from the field on 16.3 shot attempts,
6.0 assist, 6.7 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 2.8 turnovers

91-92 = 25.0 ppg 47.0% from the field on 19.4 shot attempts,
6.7 assist, 6.6 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 3.2 turnovers


I don't know how anyone can look at these numbers and not conclude that:

Clyde was clearly, the better, more efficient, all-round basketball player. He was able to share the ball with other talented players. It kills me when Iverson-apologist argue that he never had any other scorers to play with, when the fact was he never wanted to play with another scorer and the Philly front office knew that, so they complimented him with defensive-minded, role-players who didn't care that they shot the ball 4.2 times per game. It's the NBA not fukin Rucker Park...Iverson's claim to fame is one fluke win against L.A. in the Finals.

Because some of us WATCH the games and don't just READ the statlines.

 

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Because some of us WATCH the games and don't just READ the statlines.

I'm an old head and I been watching consistently since 1986


That was when the games were televised on CBS and Pat O'Brien (from Entertainment Tonight) used to call the games - in case you didn't know.

I watched Iverson tear it up at Georgetown as well. In addition to watching him chuck it up for the next 14 + years in the NBA.

 

[holidayinn21]

clyde had a 2nd-option mentality, but he was still the better player.

AI was a black hole on offense, and a liability on defense.

 

[Taadow]

Danny ainge, duckworth, cliff robinson, Terry porter, robert pack, Jerome kersey.

Better than any help Iverson ever had

The fact that Danny Ainge is the first somebody you thought of and listed says a lot.

- Kevin Duckworth was a flash in the pan.
- Cliff Robinson was good, but he was ahead of his time being a 6'10 nicca who played the 3. He was mostly a size disadvantage for the other team.
- Terry Porter was probably the biggest threat they had after Clyde, but he's what many people on this board try to villify Reggie Miller as.
- When did Clyde play with Robert Pack? I don't remember that.
- Jerome Kersey? Please.
- You didn't mention Buck Williams, who was good - but if he was a Blazer in his prime, they might've gotten a ring one of those times they got to the finals.

If you compare these dudes to what AI had to play with, you're only missing a Porter/Ainge dude. If AI had that, it may not have mattered because he probably would pass to them anyway. lol

 

[Brooklynzson]

AI the Goat in my eyes, easy decision.

 

[holidayinn21]

The fact that Danny Ainge is the first somebody you thought of and listed says a lot.

- Kevin Duckworth was a flash in the pan.
- Cliff Robinson was good, but he was ahead of his time being a 6'10 nicca who played the 3. He was mostly a size disadvantage for the other team.
- Terry Porter was probably the biggest threat they had after Clyde, but he's what many people on this board try to villify Reggie Miller as.
- When did Clyde play with Robert Pack? I don't remember that.
- Jerome Kersey? Please.
- You didn't mention Buck Williams, who was good - but if he was a Blazer in his prime, they might've gotten a ring one of those times they got to the finals.

If you compare these dudes to what AI had to play with, you're only missing a Porter/Ainge dude. If AI had that, it may not have mattered because he probably would pass to them anyway. lol

you're selling those blazers teams short.

they were probably the most talented team in the league, but they were the ultimate choking dogs, and wasn't an alpha type.

 

[Taadow]

you're selling those blazers teams short.

they were probably the most talented team in the league, but they were the ultimate choking dogs, and wasn't an alpha type.

I'm not saying they weren't a good team, but I don't know if they were "probably the most talented", either. I would concede they were probably the most well-balanced team, though.

 

[invincible1914]

Clyde Drexler Career Mix HD - YouTube

props

+1 for my boy Clyde

did someone really list Duckworth as quality help. Dude was just a big body. TBH, Terry Porter was a beast when he was on WAY better than anybody AI had on that '01 squad.

 

[OneManGang]

Those Portland teams were easily better than any team AI had in Philly. Thats what the debate is.

 

[Higher Tech]

The fact that Danny Ainge is the first somebody you thought of and listed says a lot.

- Kevin Duckworth was a flash in the pan.
- Cliff Robinson was good, but he was ahead of his time being a 6'10 nicca who played the 3. He was mostly a size disadvantage for the other team.
- Terry Porter was probably the biggest threat they had after Clyde, but he's what many people on this board try to villify Reggie Miller as.
- When did Clyde play with Robert Pack? I don't remember that.
- Jerome Kersey? Please.
- You didn't mention Buck Williams, who was good - but if he was a Blazer in his prime, they might've gotten a ring one of those times they got to the finals.

If you compare these dudes to what AI had to play with, you're only missing a Porter/Ainge dude. If AI had that, it may not have mattered because he probably would pass to them anyway. lol

I was just listing team mates. No particular order.
Pack was on the 92 team. And regardless of how you veiw those dudes, those were a better combo of players than Iverson every had the homor of playing with.

 

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The fact that Danny Ainge is the first somebody you thought of and listed says a lot.

- Kevin Duckworth was a flash in the pan.
- Cliff Robinson was good, but he was ahead of his time being a 6'10 nicca who played the 3. He was mostly a size disadvantage for the other team.
- Terry Porter was probably the biggest threat they had after Clyde, but he's what many people on this board try to villify Reggie Miller as.
- When did Clyde play with Robert Pack? I don't remember that.
- Jerome Kersey? Please.
- You didn't mention Buck Williams, who was good - but if he was a Blazer in his prime, they might've gotten a ring one of those times they got to the finals.

If you compare these dudes to what AI had to play with, you're only missing a Porter/Ainge dude. If AI had that, it may not have mattered because he probably would pass to them anyway. lol

People act as if the Philly front office chose not to get Iverson a second star, when it was really that they knew Iverson would not be able to co-exist with a second star. He had Stackhouse and ended up having fist-fights.



Iverson-stackhouse: Rocky' Relationship - New York Daily News


though I'm not saying Iverson started it, but I will say the message was sent...Iverson could not co-exist with another player who demanded the ball. Denver was a completely different situation and they didn't win shyt when he went there either.

 

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I was just listing team mates. No particular order.
Pack was on the 92 team. And regardless of how you veiw those dudes, those were a better combo of players than Iverson every had the homor of playing with.

That was Bubba Chuck's fault...Webber was the consumate (talented) team player, and he even alluded to Iverson's Chuck Norris idolizations. And btw, Stackhouse was arguably better than any player Drexler had on those Portland teams.

 

[Luke Cage]

I was just listing team mates. No particular order.
Pack was on the 92 team. And regardless of how you veiw those dudes, those were a better combo of players than Iverson every had the homor of playing with.

Didn't iverson play with Melo, Mutumbo, Iggy. Those three combined have all star appearances than any of clydes teammates ever did and all of them were in their prime except mutumbo who was still a premier shot blocker. The only perennial all stars Clyde played with was hakeem and Barkley a few years before they retired.

Take him off the blazers and you basically a team full of role players.

 

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Didn't iverson play with Melo, Mutumbo, Iggy. Those three combined have all star appearances than any of clydes teammates ever did and all of them were in their prime except mutumbo who was still a premier shot blocker. The only perennial all stars Clyde played with was hakeem and Barkley a few years before they retired.

Take him off the blazers and you basically a team full of role players.