Who do you have higher in your All Time SG List? Allen Iverson or Clyde Drexler?

[Still Benefited]

I only remember Clyde on the flabby and sick side....But after examining both highlight reels from what I could make out of the distorted pixels of what I believe to be Clyde Drexler....this shouldn't even be a question...A.I all day

give my nikka a roster spot...what's the harm in a tryout...whether it be on a nba team or Love and Hiphop ATL there's no excuse for the gawd to be outta work right now

 

[Jplaya2023]

Debateable.

No way in hell. The east was hot garbage in the early 00's

 

[Reggie]

Kobe dropped 56 in 3 quarters with handchecking at age 22. Some things are just out of your control. Kobe hitting stupid shots not even squaring up for a whole game is hard to stop.

I'll give u that but no handchecking definitely has had an effect on the game.

 

[mvp_status]

I'm going w/ Clyde on this one, its alot easier to build around a high scoring two guard when he can actually guard his position

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

i know what iverson did great, but i still dont really understand what drexler did great. it seemed like he just did everything really good, but not great.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Iverson

 

[nieman]

I can't have Iverson rated but so high. He's a chucker, first, last and only options. He never met a shot he didn't like, and he didn't have that great of a jumper to begin with.

As for who he played with, don't forget he COULDN'T play with another scorer. Anytime they had another player on the team that average 16ppg+, AI didn't make the playoffs. Stack (ended up leading the league in scoring) & DC (the Alkie) was a 20W team, Flight Brother 2 (was never gonna materialize there, but it ended up working for Gilly da Kid), Jimmy Jax, Joe Smith, Spoon, Big Dog with one of the sickest midrange games in NBA history was a 20ppg scorer until Philly...these aren't exactly slouches on the court. Even Webber, the year he came to Philly, he was averaging 21, 10 & 5.5 on 45% FGs and IMO should've been an AS. He gets traded and drops to 15, 8 & 3 on 39% FGs..while AI putting up 30. Whenever AI was described by his peers, they always said 2 things "He is relentless" and "for someone his size to do some of the things he is able to do..."; they never mentioned ANY actually basketball skill.

With that being said, not many can actually put up 24 shots per night, but I gotta go with Clyde (going left and head down), So it's Clyde

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

I can't have Iverson rated but so high. He's a chucker, first, last and only options. He never met a shot he didn't like, and he didn't have that great of a jumper to begin with.

As for who he played with, don't forget he COULDN'T play with another scorer. Anytime they had another player on the team that average 16ppg+, AI didn't make the playoffs. Stack (ended up leading the league in scoring) & DC (the Alkie) was a 20W team, Flight Brother 2 (was never gonna materialize there, but it ended up working for Gilly da Kid), Jimmy Jax, Joe Smith, Spoon, Big Dog with one of the sickest midrange games in NBA history was a 20ppg scorer until Philly...these aren't exactly slouches on the court. Even Webber, the year he came to Philly, he was averaging 21, 10 & 5.5 on 45% FGs and IMO should've been an AS. He gets traded and drops to 15, 8 & 3 on 39% FGs..while AI putting up 30. Whenever AI was described by his peers, they always said 2 things "He is relentless" and "for someone his size to do some of the things he is able to do..."; they never mentioned ANY actually basketball skill.

With that being said, not many can actually put up 24 shots per night, but I gotta go with Clyde (going left and head down), So it's Clyde

That's bullshyt. Rip Hamilton said he "watched AI practice everyday, and he's better than 75% of the people in the leage". This was when AI was way past it too. Several people have praised his ball handling and anticipation skills etc. Stop hating on AI for being a scorer who took a lot of shots, unless youre going to hold Kobe to the same standard.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Even if we look at the year they got rid of hanchecking 2005-2006, it's STILL a better defensive year and overall environment then Clyde's best season(92') or any year of the 80's and early 90's

League Average Scoring

1992-105.3 PPG/2006-97.0

League Average FG%

1992-47%/2006-45%

League average Pace

1992-96.6/2006-90.5

League average Offensive rating

1992-108.2 ORtg/2006-106.2 ORtg

League Average Defensive rating

1992-108.2 DRtg/2006-106.2 DRtg

 

[GreatestLaker]

Drexler.

Iverson is too inefficient and is a huge liability on defense.

 

[feelosofer]

Yea, but Clyde was a far more versatile player. A lot of you guys were too young to watch Clyde in his prime and most of you were kids when he was at the end of his career. Clyde in his prime was 2nd only to Jordan. Dude was the one of the leagues best all around players, in '89 dude was avg, almost 28 PPG, shooting 48% and avg 6 asst and 6 reb a game. Even a Drexler was avg 18 PPG and playing starter minutes, he could've played till 40 easily.

Iverson is def close, but I'll take a better all-around player than a prolific scorer, who was also a good stealer.

 

[Luke Cage]

i know what iverson did great, but i still dont really understand what drexler did great. it seemed like he just did everything really good, but not great.

Exactly, there are alot players that are better than him at certain things, but he had a really good all around game with no glaring weaknessess. Iverson a far better scorer would be a liability on defense when going against guards like Drexler(Length, Atheletisism). So when building a team around iverson before looking for complimentary players you would first have to find a player that could defend pg and sgs. Basically you have to have someone like Iman shumpert or else you backcourt would look like the buck's current backcourt. With the glyde you have more options.6'7" with hops and lateral quickness you play him against pgs sgs or sfs and depending on the matchups you could even put him up against certain pfs.

 

[feelosofer]

Exactly, there are alot players that are better than him at certain things, but he had a really good all around game with no glaring weaknessess. Iverson a far better scorer would be a liability on defense when going against guards like Drexler(Length, Atheletisism). So when building a team around iverson before looking for complimentary players you would first have to find a player that could defend pg and sgs. Basically you have to have someone like Iman shumpert or else you backcourt would look like the buck's current backcourt. With the glyde you have more options.6'7" with hops and lateral quickness you play him against pgs sgs or sfs and depending on the matchups you could even put him up against certain pfs.

This, Clyde was versatile enough to play in almost any system, and he could play every role.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

Iverson's 6 best seasons:

98-99 = 28.6 ppg 41% from the field on 22 shot attempts,
4.6 assist, 4.9 rebounds, 2.3 steals, 3.5 turnovers

99-00 = 28.4 ppg 42% from the field on 24.8 shot attempts,
4.7 assist, 3.8 rebounds, 2.1 steals, 3.3 turnovers

00-01 = 31.1 ppg 42% from the field on 25.5 shot attempts,
4.6 assist, 3.8 rebounds, 2.5 steals, 3.3. turnovers

01-02 = 31.4 ppg 39% from the field on 27.8 shot attempts,
5.5. assist, 4.5 rebounds. 2.8 steals, 4 turnovers per game

04-05 = 30.7 ppg on 42% from the field on 24.2 shot attempts,
7.9 assist, 4.0 rebounds, 2.4 steals, 4.6 turnovers

05-06 = 33.0 ppg on 44.7% from the field on 25.3 shot attempts,
7.4 assist, 3.2 rebounds, 1.9 steals, 3.4 turnovers


Clyde the Glyde:

86-86 = 21.7 ppg on 50.1% from the field on 17.2 shot attempts,
6.9 assist, 6.3 rebounds, 2.5 steals, 3.1 turnovers

87-88 = 27.0 ppg on 50.6% from the field on 20.7 shot attempts,
5.8 assist, 6.6 rebounds 2.5 steals, 2.9 turnovers

88-89 = 27.2 ppg on 49.6% from the field on 21.4 shot attempts,
5.8 assist, 7.9 rebounds, 2.7 steals, 3.2 turnovers

89-90 = 23.3 ppg on 49.4% from the field on 18.6 shot attempts,
5.9 assist, 6.9 rebounds, 2.0 steals, 2.6 turnovers

90-91 = 21.5 ppg on on 48.2 from the field on 16.3 shot attempts,
6.0 assist, 6.7 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 2.8 turnovers

91-92 = 25.0 ppg 47.0% from the field on 19.4 shot attempts,
6.7 assist, 6.6 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 3.2 turnovers


I don't know how anyone can look at these numbers and not conclude that:

Clyde was clearly, the better, more efficient, all-round basketball player. He was able to share the ball with other talented players. It kills me when Iverson-apologist argue that he never had any other scorers to play with, when the fact was he never wanted to play with another scorer and the Philly front office knew that, so they complimented him with defensive-minded, role-players who didn't care that they shot the ball 4.2 times per game. It's the NBA not fukin Rucker Park...Iverson's claim to fame is one fluke win against L.A. in the Finals.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Iverson's efficiency overall sucks though

Regular season scoring efficiency(T/S=FG%,3PT,FT's)

96-97: .513 TS%
97-98: .535 TS%
98-99: .508 TS%
99-00: .496 TS%
00-01: .518 TS%
01-02: .489 TS%
02-03: .500 TS%
03-04: .478 TS%
04-05: .532 TS%
05-06: .543 TS%
06-07: .540 TS%
07-08: .567 TS%

Post-season scoring efficiency

98-99: .481 TS%
99-00: .472 TS%
00-01: .480 TS%
01-02: .515 TS%
02-03: .499 TS%
04-05: .562 TS%
06-07: .447 TS%

That's pathetic