"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[storyteller]

The names being dropped are all flawed stars with big contracts. I'd rather just wait and see if Grimes, IQ, or RJ can keep developing into something special. Keep drafting and developing more guys. Save the bag for the a trade demand from someone worth the whole bag. Maybe Booker (I think the Suns' play in his absence has been proof of just how good he's really been) or SGA still finds a way to the trade block.

Until then, I'm still scanning the market for a swing-forward that can defend and hit some threes. Jae Crowder seems like the obvious choice if he's available, though maybe Saddiq Bey becomes a cheap sell-off piece that we could give a trial run. I don't watch enough Pistons ball to explain his regression from last year, I admit.

 

[TOAD99]

Yeah all those players are a no for me

I’ll just wait till a Jaylen Brown, SGA or even Ingram level player is available

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

I’d go for Derozan and move RJ to the bench as a super 6th man. If we could swing Derozan AND KAT, (probably means Mitch gets sent to Chicago) then our offense would be pretty insane with such a wide open lane. Defense would be some serious shyt though.

Funny thing is, Demar is who RJ should pattern his game after.

 

[Wargames]

Let’s tank!!!

they’re not

Flipside they got two picks (maybe three) in a very good draft for wings. I think that is definitely factoring into them not looking to do a trade. I can see five guys on the most mocks that are Thibs guys.

The alternative to trading for a star, I wouldn't mind trading into the 4 to 8 range and drafting this guy or one of the Thompson twins.

Exactly. They have assets to move around the draft. It’s not a shallow draft either where teams will over value picks. It’s has enough depth that teams will be more willing to move down.

The names being dropped are all flawed stars with big contracts. I'd rather just wait and see if Grimes, IQ, or RJ can keep developing into something special. Keep drafting and developing more guys. Save the bag for the a trade demand from someone worth the whole bag. Maybe Booker (I think the Suns' play in his absence has been proof of just how good he's really been) or SGA still finds a way to the trade block.

Until then, I'm still scanning the market for a swing-forward that can defend and hit some threes. Jae Crowder seems like the obvious choice if he's available, though maybe Saddiq Bey becomes a cheap sell-off piece that we could give a trial run. I don't watch enough Pistons ball to explain his regression from last year, I admit.

I think the move now is to get assets to have options. A trade for a star, clear cap space in the 2024 FA, or move up in the draft. At this point it’s not a bad idea just to have options.

Funny thing is, Demar is who RJ should pattern his game after.

Yep, yep I think he can be a bigger Demar though Thibs is requiring that he focuses more on defense as develops. He is solid at it.

 

[storyteller]

The alternative to trading for a star, I wouldn't mind trading into the 4 to 8 range and drafting this guy or one of the Thompson twins.

Cam Whitmore and Jarace Walker should be around that range too. This draft class is so damned good.

Let’s tank!!!

So damned good! I'm not typically a tank guy. But the two seasons that I supported tanking were 1) The Luka Doncic year (my whole take was start Frank at PG and tank for Luka) and 2) Tanking for this upcoming draft class.

Every year there are a few nice prospect, but this year the guys at the top have special upside and there are a bunch of guys with big upside after. Hell, Kris Murray isn't THAT far from Keegan Murray but he's getting mocked around the 20's whereas Keegan was top five.

 

[Wargames]

Cam Whitmore and Jarace Walker should be around that range too. This draft class is so damned good.



So damned good! I'm not typically a tank guy. But the two seasons that I supported tanking were 1) The Luka Doncic year (my whole take was start Frank at PG and tank for Luka) and 2) Tanking for this upcoming draft class.

Every year there are a few nice prospect, but this year the guys at the top have special upside and there are a bunch of guys with big upside after. Hell, Kris Murray isn't THAT far from Keegan Murray but he's getting mocked around the 20's whereas Keegan was top five.

Yep yep. The whole mid first is full of guys that are Thibs guys too.


I am actually a fan of a ton of guys who might be in range for the Knicks and I could see Thibs giving minutes too. Jett Howard, GG Jackson, Maxwell Lewis, Colby Jones, Jalen Wilson, Leonard Miller, Kris Murray, Julian Phillips, Jordan Walsh, Anthony Black, and Julian Strawther.

That not including Whitmore, Walker, and Grady D who I think will be taken before the Knicks can grab them. That is also ignoring the Twins and Brandon Miller who all look like they are getting drafted early.

This draft is heavy as hell with wings.

For once the timing of what’s available fits what the Knicks need.

 

[storyteller]

Yep yep. The whole mid first is full of guys that are Thibs guys too.


I am actually a fan of a ton of guys who might be in range for the Knicks and I could see Thibs giving minutes too. Jett Howard, GG Jackson, Maxwell Lewis, Colby Jones, Jalen Wilson, Leonard Miller, Kris Murray, Julian Phillips, Jordan Walsh, Anthony Black, and Julian Strawther.

That not including Whitmore, Walker, and Grady D who I think will be taken before the Knicks can grab them. That is also ignoring the Twins and Brandon Miller who all look like they are getting drafted early.

This draft is heavy as hell with wings.

For once the timing of what’s available fits what the Knicks need.

100% Facts. You've got even more names than I've had time to watch closely, but every name you listed that I've been able to watch is someone I could see people getting excited about drafting. This is one of those years where I can't find enough time to scout all the promising players for fair comparisons. It's a long shot, but I'm praying Washington can just crack 15 so we have a third pick to play with.

 

[ISO]

I’d go for Derozan and move RJ to the bench as a super 6th man

DeRozan old ass

Btw even if RJ was moved to the bench wouldn’t shyt be super about him. This idea that RJ would just be killing teams off the bench is

 

[ISO]

Why do people keep forcing that DeRozan and Barrett comparison?

Is it the Toronto shyt? I mean what is it?

What are we watching?

Barrett and DeRozan are nothing alike.

Barrett isn’t going to become one of the greatest midrange shooters ever. Barrett does not possess the fluidity to even move like DeRozan.

Compare Barrett to the young zit face DeRozan that was in the dunk contest—two very different wing prospects.

They’re nothing alike and Barrett cannot “model” his game after him.

 

[ISO]

Yep, yep I think he can be a bigger Demar though Thibs is requiring that he focuses more on defense as develops. He is solid at it.

Do you think that on some wishful shyt or just because? Bro is nothing like DeRozan he's an entirely different player and no he is not "solid" on defense.

 

[ISO]

Young DeRozan around the same stage of development as current RJ tune in (year 4, DeRozan was only about 10 months older than Barrett is now)

Far more explosive bouncy athlete, much more fluid in his movements, ball handling, cleaner shot mechanics, midpost and triple threat skills, high level footwork

Craft and swag on a whole different level

WHERE is DeRozan or the potential to model his game after him ya sound like god damn fools

 

[Wargames]

Do you think that on some wishful shyt or just because? Bro is nothing like DeRozan he's an entirely different player and no he is not "solid" on defense.

Bro I don’t know why RJ triggers you so much, but he clearly triggers you. Anyhow Demar Derozan is a 14 year vet, RJ is on his 4th year. RJ now is a better player than Derozan was in his fourth year. A lot of your critique of him always feels like it’s ignores that this is his fourth year and due to Covid and minor injuries he missed about half his rookie season.

It takes some imagination but yeah I think he can develop into a Demar Derozan type. I think the main think hurting his development in the midrange has been the combination of Mitch clogging the paint, and operating with other left handed ball dominant players and then doing his best to accommodate them for the sake of the team. Him playing more with the bench squad should help with his development into finishing in time.

 

[ISO]

Bro I don’t know why RJ triggers you so much, but he clearly triggers you. Anyhow Demar Derozan is a 14 year vet, RJ is on his 4th year. RJ now is a better player than Derozan was in his fourth year. A lot of your critique of him always feels like it’s ignores that this is his fourth year and due to Covid and minor injuries he missed about half his rookie season.

It takes some imagination but yeah I think he can develop into a Demar Derozan type. I think the main think hurting his development in the midrange has been the combination of Mitch clogging the paint, and operating with other left handed ball dominant players and then doing his best to accommodate them for the sake of the team. Him playing more with the bench squad should help with his development into finishing in time.

There is nothing Demar does that we haven’t seen RJ do at a lesser level earlier in his career.

He doesn't trigger me. I have no problem with the guy. He's a pretty mediocre basketball player but he means well. He's a good guy. I just keep it real and it triggers y'all. What triggers me is the ridiculous comments y'all make. These are ridiculously bad low I.Q. takes.

No, Barrett is not better than a 4th year DeRozan who I literally just posted above. There is no way in hell you can watch those preseason highlights from a 4th year DeRozan, only 10 months older, and say yeah RJ is as good at basketball as that guy.

You are insane out of your mind if you think "there is nothing Demar does that we haven't seen RJ do"

 

[Wargames]

He doesn't trigger me. I have no problem with the guy. He's a pretty mediocre basketball player but he means well. He's a good guy. I just keep it real and it triggers y'all. What triggers me is the ridiculous comments y'all make. These are ridiculously bad low I.Q. takes.

No, Barrett is not better than a 4th year DeRozan who I literally just posted above. There is no way in hell you can watch those preseason highlights from a 4th year DeRozan, only 10 months older, and say yeah RJ is as good at basketball as that guy.

You are insane out of your mind if you think "there is nothing Demar does that we haven't seen RJ do"

Bro who do you not like on other teams? Name 10 players on other teams than the Knicks you think are overrated.

 

[ISO]

Bro who do you not like on other teams? Name 10 players on other teams than the Knicks you think are overrated.

Plenty of players.

I don't even like DeRozan like that although he is a good basketball player.

RJ and DeRozan are very different. RJ cannot model his game after him. That take is ridiculous its a very I skim games not watch them take.

Keeping it real is not hating.