"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[RickyGQ]

Cam ain't built to take those shots. Grimes is doing just fine with RJ. RJ had 13 attempts last night, and Grimes had 11. Grimes is averaging 8 a game now and that should go up. RJ averaged 16 attempts before Grimes started, down to 14 since Grimes began starting. The shot shares will level out. It's not as simple as "take this guys shots and give them to that guy." There's a reason players' efficiency tends to dip if their usage jumps.

And I'm not entertaining Cam taking those attempts, because he had his shot. He was starting with RJ. Grimes is more assertive, and we're already seeing him take touches away from Barrett. That's why Grimes snatched that starting spot with the quickness, and the more we see of it, the clearer that's gonna be.

As far as waiting for RJ. Compare RJ through 25 games last year to this year. He was at the same FG%, averaging less ppg and apg. His TOs are up which is a problem and three-point shooting is way down. But we've literally seen this type of struggle and then a big turnaround. That's a big difference from waiting for a Cam Reddish with a career-best 11 ppg when he played 28 mpg.

But if it's "replace RJ with anyone" that's at least a discussion to be had. Because a Kuzma in his spot would legitimately be interesting. An Oubre might not be bad though I think his numbers this year are inflated by how bad Charlotte is (this is a guess...I don't watch Charlotte games often enough to judge fairly). The difference is upside. Your team is supposed to be better when you replace a 22-year-old's usage with a 27-year-old's.

My problem with cutting ties after 25 games is then you DEFINITELY shoulda never paid this dude. They had no business playing hardball over Donovan Mitchell if they'd be ready to dump him off after struggling early. I'm down to see if he can replicate what happened last year. I think Grimes will help him by taking some touches and creating more transitions thanks to his defense. We already paid the kid, might as well see if he can figure it out. The long term upside is way too good compared to the other scenarios.

Yea we already agreed that it’s obvious they asked Cam to be less assertive if he wanted to play…

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Obi fractured his knee. Will be reevaluated in 2-3 weeks. RJ to play back up 4


Maybe this is what RJ needs. To defend against slower bigger players. He rebounds well for his size

 

[ISO]

His efficiency won't go up even if he takes less shots until he works on his game

and also stop Holding your fukking form when you shoot threes almost 8 out of 10 times you are missing it go crash boards...

I wish Thibs does to RJ whenever that stupid fukk holds his form like if he was Sanna lathan in Love and Basketball and make him stand there on the bench with his form pose


As for Reddish i don't know he has the talent in the world but something in the brain and heart ain't there for every amazing play he will do three things on the next offensive play to make you wonder WTF is wrong with him

Reddish is overrated. He can’t shoot (this dude hasn’t shot well from distance on any level even going back to the prestigious high school tournaments), his first step is lackluster, his motor and feel for the game is a noted weakness, he lacks physicality, he lacks explosiveness, his handle is sloppy.

All this hype because he’s smooth and is 6’8—dude makes an elongated euro step and people go crazy.

Reddish has never been as skilled or athletic as made out to be by pundits. I’ve read ridiculous statements on the net of him pretty much being this create-a-wing with this great picture perfect jumper and open floor athleticism. It’s a myth his shooting mechanics been questionable and he isn’t an elite athlete he’s more long-armed, smooth, fluid.

 

[Miles Davis]

Who did we not like?

For every Melo, we liked a Jared Jeffries.

For every Brunson, we liked a Randle.

For every RJ, we liked a Quentin Grimes.

Etc

Breh stop liking players on your team

 

[RickyGQ]

Breh stop liking players on your team

fukking losers…

 

[storyteller]

Yea we already agreed that it’s obvious they asked Cam to be less assertive if he wanted to play…

They asked him to be less assertive? That's been his natural style since Duke fam. He's not that guy. Hasn't been since HS.

 

[storyteller]

 

[ISO]

Breh stop liking players on your team

Liking bums just because they’re on your team ain’t it especially when you’re talking failed high lotto picks that set the franchise back.

 

[Wargames]

Obi fractured his knee. Will be reevaluated in 2-3 weeks. RJ to play back up 4


Maybe this is what RJ needs. To defend against slower bigger players. He rebounds well for his size

No this would be the perfect opportunity to play Cam at the 4 but Thibs is the fukking coach so we got a 8 man rotation

 

[storyteller]

Breh stop liking players on your team

You can like players and be realistic about them.

The whole damned league is stuck in the middle right now, and somehow the Knicks are sitting with the starting line-up that currently holds the best +/- in the league and the 8th easiest Strength of Schedule for the rest of the year. Their rotation is 90% 24.or younger, predominantly homegrown, and they're positioned to have at least two picks in this draft (maybe three).

The sky isn't falling because Cam Reddish is out of the rotation. Same as it wasn't that big a deal that Derrick Rose wasn't seeing more minutes. I like those guys, but the whole league thinks Rose is cooked and doesn't care about Cam (Fred Katz reported as much yesterday).

The whole damn league is mid right now with a handful of exceptions at the top and bottom. One thing breaks right, and you can skip past most of the pack. But Cam isn't making or breaking shyt. I'll be way more pissed if they move IQ than Cam. That dude is underappreciated.

 

[storyteller]

No this would be the perfect opportunity to play Cam at the 4 but Thibs is the fukking coach so we got a 8 man rotation

I've spent the past hour wondering if Thibs would try Sims/Hart since he loves two big-man line-ups anyway

 

[RickyGQ]

They asked him to be less assertive? That's been his natural style since Duke fam. He's not that guy. Hasn't been since HS.

Am i tripping? The nikka pressed the entire pre season. Shot everything he could and we all hated it. He got benched, and the next opportunity he got he picked his spots more. We all agreed he looked better. He’s had the exact game Grimes had last night for us before. If Grimes scores 8 points next game, none of us are gone be upset because that’s not what we need from him. I personally felt like that’s the role Cam was in and now he’s trash because that’s the role he played?

 

[g-ice]

Am i tripping? The nikka pressed the entire pre season. Shot everything he could and we all hated it. He got benched, and the next opportunity he got he picked his spots more. We all agreed he looked better. He’s had the exact game Grimes had last night for us before. If Grimes scores 8 points next game, none of us are gone be upset because that’s not what we need from him. I personally felt like that’s the role Cam was in and now he’s trash because that’s the role he played?

Then you not watching Reddish closely to not see the difference.

The man lacks motor. Watch Grimes out on the court and he’s giving 110% out there.

 

[ISO]

Am i tripping? The nikka pressed the entire pre season. Shot everything he could and we all hated it. He got benched, and the next opportunity he got he picked his spots more. We all agreed he looked better. He’s had the exact game Grimes had last night for us before. If Grimes scores 8 points next game, none of us are gone be upset because that’s not what we need from him. I personally felt like that’s the role Cam was in and now he’s trash because that’s the role he played?

Grimes is consistent on the defensive end.

Once bro three ball start falling like we know it can

He’s better than Reddish (and Barrett) at damn near everything.

Perception is a bytch Grimes went from McDonald’s All-American to unsung while Reddish and Barrett been dikk licked since high school into the pros. Now in the league Grimes looks like the hands down smarter, more skilled, and more athletic basketball player.

 

[storyteller]

Am i tripping? The nikka pressed the entire pre season. Shot everything he could and we all hated it. He got benched, and the next opportunity he got he picked his spots more. We all agreed he looked better. He’s had the exact game Grimes had last night for us before. If Grimes scores 8 points next game, none of us are gone be upset because that’s not what we need from him. I personally felt like that’s the role Cam was in and now he’s trash because that’s the role he played?

That preseason showed you exactly why he shouldn't get a bigger workload. I liked that he picked his spots better but that's a far cry from thinking he's ready to take RJ's spot and the team would just be peachy. Those extra touches were a mess with Cam.

I didn't call him trash. I said he's not that good right now. He's all potential right now, and that's been the story. There's an archive of recaps where I give him a break for low output and still give him credit on potential and effort, example:

Cam Reddish: 4 PTS (2/6 FG, 0/3 3PT), 1 AST, 3 REB in 18 mins
Cam Reddish may have only finished two field goals, but they were impressive plays. He drove inside and made athletic finishes around Detroit’s big men. His athleticism gets him into the lane against any defense, and his touch around the basket has the potential to be remarkable.

Unfortunately, he didn’t do too much else. Cam produced in other areas, but his minutes were limited in the second half. I don’t have any complaints about his defense or effort.

This has always been the pitch with Cam. We're hoping he clicks, but he hasn't yet. Shades of potential but no real consistency. If he puts it together, he's going to be a hell of a player. But we can say that about:
Grimes, Obi, IQ, Deuce, Sims, and even everyone's favorite new player to hate, RJ.

The reason Grimes is better than Cam for the starters is spacing. Grimes shoots the hell out of the ball, and Cam doesn't. Grimes is also better at the point of attack and on rotations. Cam's better on big wings, which is a legit credit to him. But it's not enough to make up for the spacing or the way that Grimes helps on hedges and subtle ish like that. It's not even a big knock on Cam, Grimes is just REALLY GOOD on defense.