"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[RickyGQ]

That preseason showed you exactly why he shouldn't get a bigger workload. I liked that he picked his spots better but that's a far cry from thinking he's ready to take RJ's spot and the team would just be peachy. Those extra touches were a mess with Cam.

I didn't call him trash. I said he's not that good right now. He's all potential right now, and that's been the story. There's an archive of recaps where I give him a break for low output and still give him credit on potential and effort, example:


This has always been the pitch with Cam. We're hoping he clicks, but he hasn't yet. Shades of potential but no real consistency. If he puts it together, he's going to be a hell of a player. But we can say that about:
Grimes, Obi, IQ, Deuce, Sims, and even everyone's favorite new player to hate, RJ.

The reason Grimes is better than Cam for the starters is spacing. Grimes shoots the hell out of the ball, and Cam doesn't. Grimes is also better at the point of attack and on rotations. Cam's better on big wings, which is a legit credit to him. But it's not enough to make up for the spacing or the way that Grimes helps on hedges and subtle ish like that. It's not even a big knock on Cam, Grimes is just REALLY GOOD on defense.

Then you not watching Reddish closely to not see the difference.

The man lacks motor. Watch Grimes out on the court and he’s giving 110% out there.

I’m pro Grimes fellas. The point I’m making is one of roles and chemistry. If we’re not gonna get a STAR that can put everyone else into more appropriate roles, letting Brunson and Randle be the offense while Grimes and the other wing can go off when they have it going or just contribute in others ways is better basketball than RJ forcing his role as a star.

 

[Derek Lee]

The team sucks balls. They're better off tanking. I'm attached to zero players on this roster. I can tolerate mediocrity if they were actually watchable, but the product has been completely mid. fukk this shyt

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

If Toronto decides to blow it up this season then OG Anunoby is the next guy the Knicks should go after.

 

[RickyGQ]

If Toronto decides to blow it up this season then OG Anunoby is the next guy the Knicks should go after.

Unless it’s for RJ, what’s the point?

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Unless it’s for RJ, what’s the point?

You mean for Toronto or for us?

 

[RickyGQ]

You mean for Toronto or for us?

For us. Ideally we’d want Grimes and OG on the wings. We’re not benching RJ and giving up assets to bring OG off the bench is futile. Not really interested in a RJ/OG wing tandems

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

For us. Ideally we’d want Grimes and OG on the wings. We’re not benching RJ and giving up assets to bring OG off the bench is futile. Not really interested in a RJ/OG wing tandems

I'm just speaking from my perspective and what I'd do, and with that said you're probably right in your assessment unfortunately.

RJ is playing so terribly he's not worth considerations, and if the FO decides to pass up on good talent because of RJ then they really are the problem. The sunk cost fallacy is now at play here; we already missed out a very good player in favor of RJ, we can't keep doing the same for a man who's all but earned a spot on the bench, we'd be digging a very big hole by doing so.

Hopefully RJ picks up his play enough to be considered an asset again.I'd include him in any package to Toronto if it means saving a pick or two

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Brunson
Grimes
Anunoby
Randle
Mitch

That would make for a pretty good team. That lineup is lacking in shooting but it's a lot better than what we have now.

 

[RickyGQ]

I'm just speaking from my perspective and what I'd do, and with that said you're probably right in your assessment unfortunately. RJ is playing so terribly he's not worth considerations, and if the FO decides to pass up on good talent because of RJ then they really are the problem. The sunk cost fallacy is now at play here; we already missed out a very good player in favor of RJ, we can't keep doing the same for a man who's all but earned a spot on the bench, we'd be digging a very big hole by doing so.

Hopefully RJ picks up his play enough to be considered an asset and he gets traded to Toronto, we can save a pick or 2 that way. That would be ideal.

Right. I think Toronto would take RJ as is though. OG for RJ actually works with RJs poison pill but both teams would have to find someoneq to take a vet min player to make it work. Then it comes down to draft compensation… i don’t think Toronto is offering any because of RJs extension and play so far but they CAN sell their fan base on him being from the area and having a better infrastructure to get him to excel. Do you think the Knicks admit defeat and let their former number 3 pick that they just paid go for just a really good role player?

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Right. I think Toronto would take RJ as is though. OG for RJ actually works with RJs poison pill but both teams would have to find someoneq to take a vet min player to make it work. Then it comes down to draft compensation… i don’t think Toronto is offering any because of RJs extension and play so far but they CAN sell their fan base on him being from the area and having a better infrastructure to get him to excel. Do you think the Knicks admit defeat and let their former number 3 pick that they just paid go for just a really good role player?

I don't, and I wish they would lol. I'm all for giving players a chance, and seeing Randle turn it around again does give me some pause in regard to RJ, because if he can fix himself then why not RJ? On the other hand though, RJ is skating by on only two months of good play in the last year and pedigree; it's not like he was an all star or made an all NBA team, so maybe those two months were a fluke? Add to that, RJ just flat out looks worse than Randle did at any point last season. In fact, RJ goes through stretches where he looks like one of the worst players in the league, and the fact that his play has such a large degree of variance is stunning. Can you really count on a player who's prone to going THAT cold? Again I think the FO sticks with RJ, but these are all question Leon Rose has to ask himself.

 

[ISO]

When Grimes cooked dude off first step and almost made that Jordanesque lay-up

 

[ISO]

Right. I think Toronto would take RJ as is though. OG for RJ actually works with RJs poison pill but both teams would have to find someoneq to take a vet min player to make it work. Then it comes down to draft compensation… i don’t think Toronto is offering any because of RJs extension and play so far but they CAN sell their fan base on him being from the area and having a better infrastructure to get him to excel. Do you think the Knicks admit defeat and let their former number 3 pick that they just paid go for just a really good role player?

Toronto would not take that bum ass nikka, who you kidding man? At this rate Knicks would have to attach picks to move him.

OG is far better than Barrett on both ends.

 

[ISO]

I don't, and I wish they would lol. I'm all for giving players a chance, and seeing Randle turn it around again does give me some pause in regard to RJ, because if he can fix himself then why not RJ? On the other hand though, RJ is skating by on only two months of good play in the last year and pedigree; it's not like he was an all star or made an all NBA team, so maybe those two months were a fluke? Add to that, RJ just flat out looks worse than Randle did at any point last season. In fact, RJ goes through stretches where he looks like one of the worst players in the league, and the fact that his play has such a large degree of variance is stunning. Can you really count on a player who's prone to going THAT cold? Again I think the FO sticks with RJ, but these are all question Leon Rose has to ask himself.

Randle is/was a better basketball player than Barrett even at the same stage of development.

Even at his absolute worse Randle was never as bad as current Barrett who is a legit awful player right now.

Those 2 months that Knicks fans cite last season are purely off box score counting stats and select big games, his shooting splits in that time frame from February to April were 40/32/73, not too much different than what he’s doing now.

 

[ISO]

Barrett is also a bad fit with Scottie Barnes.

 

[ISO]

Looks like all the young Knicks were at A Boogie’s release party last night