"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Breh y'all have to stop dying on this Cam hill.

The fact that they are offering him in trades and the market is dry for him tells me everything.

Their are offering him in trades cause Thibs dumb ass refuses to give the kid minutes.

This whole dilemma falls on Thibs. Their is nothing wrong with wanting a 9 man rotation, BUT it should be based off match ups which he's not doing. Some nights Deuce would be the better match up, other nights Rose or Cam. And their is no reason why JB, RJ & Randle play heavy minutes even on nights when they are struggling. It's not like the Knicks have a lack of talent, it's the stubborn ass coach being fixated on his old school ideals that’s not translating to wins.

 

[In The Zone '98]

Their are offering him in trades cause Thibs dumb ass refuses to give the kid minutes.

This whole dilemma falls on Thibs. Their is nothing wrong with wanting a 9 man rotation, BUT it should be based off match ups which he's not doing. Some nights Deuce would be the better match up, other nights Rose or Cam. And their is no reason why JB, RJ & Randle play heavy minutes even on nights when they are struggling. It's not like the Knicks have a lack of talent, it's the stubborn ass coach being fixated on his old school ideals that’s not translating to wins.

Thats not how nba rotations work.

Millions are on the line. You have your best 9 and that's it.

The knicks have too many young guys who need to play to secure deals.

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Thats not how nba rotations work.

Millions are on the line. You have your best 9 and that's it.

The knicks have too many young guys who need to play to secure deals.

That's how smart coaches work

 

[ISO]

Thats not how nba rotations work.

Millions are on the line. You have your best 9 and that's it.

The knicks have too many young guys who need to play to secure deals.

Some of Knicks fans criticisms of Thibs are comical.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Thats not how nba rotations work.

Millions are on the line. You have your best 9 and that's it.

The knicks have too many young guys who need to play to secure deals.

You can have a rotation of 9-10 deep, but Thibs leaves a lot of opportunities for guys to play out of reach. If something ain't working, he'll try to force it and guess what? If he needs more vets who will be more understanding of being out of the rotation at that stage of their careers, get them because all he's doing is killing his chances of getting better stars by depreciating his assets. Hard decisions have to get made and Thibs would rather have them wait for an opportunity that may never come. He's playing with young kids' careers.

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By comparison, look at Memphis. That team is filled with guys who sometimes play, sometimes don't and a lot of young talent, but those players are mostly happy because a) they're winning and b) the coach provides opportunities on certain matchups to show out.

 

[storyteller]

I think the cam thing’s overblown. I’d like to find minutes for him, but I’m not too mad if they don’t. It’s an indictment on Leon Rose’s front office for giving up a useful pick without a plan to use the kid. But as long as the Knicks look better without him in the rotation, I can’t get too hung up on it. Especially when I’ve been wishing for better POA defense all year and we finally got it with Grimes and Deuce replacing Cam’s time.

 

[ISO]

You can have a rotation of 9-10 deep, but Thibs leaves a lot of opportunities for guys to play out of reach. If something ain't working, he'll try to force it and guess what? If he needs more vets who will be more understanding of being out of the rotation at that stage of their careers, get them because all he's doing is killing his chances of getting better stars by depreciating his assets. Hard decisions have to get made and Thibs would rather have them wait for an opportunity that may never come. He's playing with young kids' careers.

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By comparison, look at Memphis. That team is filled with guys who sometimes play, sometimes don't and a lot of young talent, but those players are mostly happy because a) they're winning and b) the coach provides opportunities on certain matchups to show out.

Cam had an opportunity. His preseason was horrific but he still had opportunity to start the season. 20 games, 8 starts, 22 minutes per game.

In those games Cam was a mixed bag, he wasn’t consistent game to game on either end, now Quentin Grimes is back. There’s not enough minutes for everyone. Cam will have other chances to play just because he is out of the rotation at this moment does not mean we’ll never see him again unless the relationship is severed.

We not Memphis. Cam is not better than Konchar. He’s not playing over Santi. Dude wouldn’t play there either.

 

[RickyGQ]

I think the cam thing’s overblown. I’d like to find minutes for him, but I’m not too mad if they don’t. It’s an indictment on Leon Rose’s front office for giving up a useful pick without a plan to use the kid. But as long as the Knicks look better without him in the rotation, I can’t get too hung up on it. Especially when I’ve been wishing for better POA defense all year and we finally got it with Grimes and Deuce replacing Cam’s time.

I’d rather have Cam than RJ at this point… he’s a way better fit in this roster…

 

[storyteller]

I’d rather have Cam than RJ at this point… he’s a way better fit in this roster…

RJ's been ass, but yall are overrating the hell out of a dude that averages 8 ppg and shoots 30% from three. His man defense was good, but his rotations were full of miscues that made Randle look even worse than he is on defense.

Cam is a "what if" that we see the potential in once every five games. The only edge he has on RJ is that he won't cost much to re-sign...but that's because he's not that good and hasn't shown much.

 

[RickyGQ]

RJ's been ass, but yall are overrating the hell out of a dude that averages 8 ppg and shoots 30% from three. His man defense was good, but his rotations were full of miscues that made Randle look even worse than he is on defense.

Cam is a "what if" that we see the potential in once every five games. The only edge he has on RJ is that he won't cost much to re-sign...but that's because he's not that good and hasn't shown much.

He won’t cost much to resign and he won’t take 22 shots a game. A Brunson-Grimes-Reddish-Randle-Mitch roster is a way more sound roster.

 

[DPresidential]

Cam just ain’t it there is no market because he’s a bust.

Knicks fans stay having soft spots for bums.

Knicks' fans have a soft spot for Knicks' players, bad to good. Because we are a loyal bunch.

Since we are not executives or coaches or owners; that is standard for fans who enjoy rooting for people.

 

[storyteller]

He won’t cost much to resign and he won’t take 22 shots a game. A Brunson-Grimes-Reddish-Randle-Mitch roster is a way more sound roster.

That's probably the worst offense in the league. It's defensively sound with the same spacing issues and replacing the third-option with a dude that broke double-digit scoring 7 times in 20 appearances while averaging over 20 mpg.

Cam's not there. Killian Hayes' leap in Detroit is more believable than his.

 

[storyteller]

Put it this way...would you rather have the RJ from the second-half of last season, or the Cam Reddish that we got this season? Because That RJ had a bigger sample size of MUCH better basketball than what this Cam has given us. Cam's flashes have just been flashes. Nothing more and nothing less. He's a ton of potential that we're not sure will ever be realized.

If RJ keeps sucking it up, fire Rose, get rid of him. But Cam isn't the solution or replacement. Do the Kuzma trade @Wargames has mentioned if you want to move on from RJ (and be prepared to lose hella draft capital in the process of dumping the 100 million dollar contract and acquiring Kuz). Hell...see how cheap Kelly Oubre is at that point. I'm not a Oubre fan in the least, btw.

 

[Knicksman20]

I think the cam thing’s overblown. I’d like to find minutes for him, but I’m not too mad if they don’t. It’s an indictment on Leon Rose’s front office for giving up a useful pick without a plan to use the kid. But as long as the Knicks look better without him in the rotation, I can’t get too hung up on it. Especially when I’ve been wishing for better POA defense all year and we finally got it with Grimes and Deuce replacing Cam’s time.

I said this earlier but I think it needs to be emphasized. Trading Cam would go over easier with most if RJ wasn’t playing so bad this season. Benching & trading him now is a terrible look & the optics make us look real stupid & even more incompetent; not to mention the message it sends to the younger players & potential players in the league

 

[storyteller]

I said this earlier but I think it needs to be emphasized. Trading Cam would go over easier with most if RJ wasn’t playing so bad this season. Benching & trading him now is a terrible look & the optics make us look real stupid & even more incompetent; not to mention the message it sends to the younger players & potential players in the league

I agree that it’d look way better if RJ didn’t suck right now. But RJ being crap doesn’t mean we latch on to a dude that has been worse than rj for his entire career.

The optics are bad, absolutely. That’s on the front office same as RJ’s contract if he doesn’t turn it around. But I still don’t see that as an excuse to overhype what cam’s been for us. An inconsistent player with upside. One of many on this roster.

And I disagree that this sends a bad message to young players around the league. The oldest player in this rotation is 28, next is 26, while the rest of the 9-man rotation is 24 or younger. A bunch of young players are over here getting burn. Deuce took Cam’s spot and he’s 22.

The cam trade is one of many moves that didn’t work out for this FO. This FO needs to do something or hope that the Knicks keep up the little run they’re on. Bc firing Thibs won’t fix the roster, so if they keep failing it’s on the people upstairs.