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#Knickstape
Thibs offense doesn't really lead to much ball movement though. That would help to get others going and into a type of rhythm
"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread
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tremonthustler1
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because there's something about gettin it out the mud that fascinates people who pay tens of thousands of dollars for a ticket.No need to make us a lunch pan blue collar team that’s not us we are not ‘14 Memphis, ‘01 76ers, ‘04 Pistons, ‘11 Bulls we were the 3rd best offensive team in basketball had one of the highest offensive ratings of all time actually
Knicks fans always have an obsession with making us that type of team or likening us to the 90’s Knicks kill that shyt
If anything we have a more stocky physical, aggressive, score-at-will Mike Conley with a slender, young Chauncey Billups backing him up
storyteller
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That's fair, but I didn't really see that as the main issue . Guys were getting good looks, or at least similar looks to the regular season. They just weren't hitting the shots they normally make.
storyteller
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Or because the Knicks are committed to Thibodeau as coach, which means the offense is never going to get any more dynamic than a bunch of isolations for the top two ball-handlers
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They love forcing that shyt we weren’t a grind it out team
None of those teams were even top 10 in offense in their respective leagues
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Wasn’t it that the Heat just took more three’s and injuries to Randle, Quickley, and Grimes.
Also, Obi getting sinned by Love in the first game
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Our defense was mediocre the teams y’all are likening us to were historically great defenses.
Our offense was elite.
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storyteller
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I don't like using injuries if a player plays through it (plus Jimmy was hurt on their end). But peep what everyone was shooting from three for the postseason and particularly against Miami, it wasn't pretty.
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Now Tom Thibodeau's an offensive genius 
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The Knicks were 11th in the league in PPG, 20th in the league in Team FG%, and 19th in 3pt%.
They were third in FTAs which helped. But they were no offensive juggernaut, and they definitely isolated their best scorers a lot. I can't believe that's even a point of contention.
.The Knicks were 11th in the league in PPG, 20th in the league in Team FG%, and 19th in 3pt%.
They were third in FTAs which helped. But they were no offensive juggernaut, and they definitely isolated their best scorers a lot. I can't believe that's even a point of contention.
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118 offensive rating, 3rd in the NBA and one of the highest marks in league history, team produced points whether free throws or offensive rebounding helped is irrelevant it’s part of offense.Now Tom Thibodeau's an offensive genius
The Knicks were 11th in the league in PPG, 20th in the league in Team FG%, and 19th in 3pt%.
They were third in FTAs which helped. But they were no offensive juggernaut, and they definitely isolated their best scorers a lot. I can't believe that's even a point of contention.
Nobody said he was an “offensive genius” just that the comparison to teams that couldn’t score and were historically great on the defensive end doesn’t hold up. It’s not who we were last season. Nothing wrong with isolating your best scorers it’s squeezing the most points out the roster and playing to Brunson and Randle strengths. Also, what were our numbers post-Josh Hart trade.
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Wargames
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Let’s not get into a stat pissing contest….
No one said the Knicks had bad offense, and I don’t know why comparing them to only great teams is an issue. No one said it was a 1 for 1 comparison or that they had the same weaknesses or played the same way. The comparison just give context to who they are roster wise and even that is said with favoritism to the Knicks roster.
We’re literally debating how we like the Knicks this point, and there is a few more months until next season.
No one said the Knicks had bad offense, and I don’t know why comparing them to only great teams is an issue. No one said it was a 1 for 1 comparison or that they had the same weaknesses or played the same way. The comparison just give context to who they are roster wise and even that is said with favoritism to the Knicks roster.
We’re literally debating how we like the Knicks this point, and there is a few more months until next season.
storyteller
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Read that back and think about it fam...Nobody's fooling themselves into thinking the Knicks ran a top 3 or all-time great offense. They weren't a historically good offense by any means. They were efficient at putting points on the board despite mediocre shooting.
The same way nobody call Thibs an offensive genius, nobody said the Knicks need a "historically good defense." Just a similar approach to team-building. I agree that there's no issue with isolation scoring, but you have to tailor your roster to maximize that. That doesn't mean emulating the Grizz, Sixers or Pistons exactly. It just means taking a similar approach of finding defenders, smart passers, and floor spacers to fill out the roster.
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Last year the Knicks were top 3 at putting points on the board per 100 possessions it’s just a fact
Gee, I wonder how much more efficient we’d be in league ranks if we didn’t have a certain player taking 1100 shots
