"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[Wargames]

Jalen Brunson hit the game winning three on a four point play during team USA scrimmage.



League is finished

Some of the shyt he does makes me think he could be a star PG. Kind of like how Billups/Conley became star PG’s during the middle of his career. His game is very reminiscent of young Conley’s too but he is more physical.

Which leads me to seeing a few more comparisons that can be made between this team and thar 2014-15 grizzlies team though the Knicks might have the advantage because they are younger.

 

[krazykid18]

What do you think about christian woods on the knicks??

Like i am just curious he seems like a decent player but no team he is with seems to like him.. what is his situation??

 

[RickyGQ]

Jalen Brunson hit the game winning three on a four point play during team USA scrimmage.



League is finished

Word is Jalen, Mikal, Ingram and Jackson Jr. are the starters. The fifth spot is between Ant, Halliburton and Reaves.

 

[ISO]

Some of the shyt he does makes me think he could be a star PG. Kind of like how Billups/Conley became star PG’s during the middle of his career. His game is very reminiscent of young Conley’s too but he is more physical.

Which leads me to seeing a few more comparisons that can be made between this team and thar 2014-15 grizzlies team though the Knicks might have the advantage because they are younger.

Brunson on different level as a scorer

Straight bucket getter true offensive star

Memphis and Detroit didn’t have anyone on his level as far as that goes let’s kill that noise we not that kind of team

 

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Brunson on different level as a scorer

Straight bucket getter true offensive star

Memphis and Detroit didn’t have anyone on his level let’s kill that noise we not that kind of team

brunson footwork wild

might be the real mini mamba

more death from the left ha

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[storyteller]

Some of the shyt he does makes me think he could be a star PG. Kind of like how Billups/Conley became star PG’s during the middle of his career. His game is very reminiscent of young Conley’s too but he is more physical.

Which leads me to seeing a few more comparisons that can be made between this team and thar 2014-15 grizzlies team though the Knicks might have the advantage because they are younger.

Brunson definitely reminds me of how Billups could flip a switch from playmaking from others to taking over as scorer. The Grizzlies had such a dynamic Front Court, that I'm not sure they could be recreated in this perimeter-oriented NBA.

With Thibs coaching, I almost think a Sixers with Iverson approach would be best (assuming the star-trade doesn't materialize). Build an elite defense, grab shooters for spacing, and let Brunson outscore opponents. After watching Brunson be the best player in two separate series that included Donovan Mitchell, and one series that had Jimmy Butler...I'd be curious to see how a team like that could go (especially with the current parity in the league).

 

[GunRanger]

 

[ISO]

No need to make us a lunch pan blue collar team that’s not us we are not ‘14 Memphis, ‘01 76ers, ‘04 Pistons, ‘11 Bulls we were the 3rd best offensive team in basketball had one of the highest offensive ratings of all time actually

Knicks fans always have an obsession with making us that type of team or likening us to the 90’s Knicks kill that shyt

If anything we have a more stocky physical, aggressive, score-at-will Mike Conley with a slender, young Chauncey Billups backing him up

 

[Wargames]

Brunson on different level as a scorer

Straight bucket getter true offensive star

Memphis and Detroit didn’t have anyone on his level as far as that goes let’s kill that noise we not that kind of team

I think we’re better than those teams and thankfully a lot younger, but we are in the same lane as both.

Billups/Conley/Brunson
Wallace/Gasol/Randle
Prince/Prince/RJ
Hamilton/Lee/Grimes
Big Ben/Zbo/Mitch

It goes deeper
Hart/Tony Allen
IQ/old VC

The main thing here in favor of the Knicks is I like the DDV pick up this summer. Yes it was boring but looking that this teams Archtype two of those teams lacked shooting and grabbing another shooter works. The Knicks are balancing out the offense and are younger than those teams. All of this isn’t a bad thing at all. Both of those teams were perennial playoff teams and Detroit won a championship.

 

[Wargames]

No need to make us a lunch pan blue collar team that’s not us we are not ‘14 Memphis, ‘01 76ers, ‘04 Pistons, ‘11 Bulls we were the 3rd best offensive team in basketball had one of the highest offensive ratings of all time actually

Knicks fans always have an obsession with making us that type of team or likening us to the 90’s Knicks kill that shyt

If anything we have a more stocky physical, aggressive, score-at-will Mike Conley with a slender, young Chauncey Billups backing him up

I dont think being good at offense means you can’t be a blue collar team, and I didn’t categorize them as such anyway. Gun to my head with 20/20 hindsight the grizzlies should have moved Allen and Prince sooner for a better shooting wing but they were intrinsic to that team’s culture. The Knicks have more offensive weapons than both those squads.

I do think the personnel is similar to both those teams and like all them, this team is a defense first team, unless you have S tier scoring ability. The main difference between the Knicks and the Grizzlies is the league has way more two way players so you can’t put a team out there anymore than lacks that much shooting.

 

[storyteller]

I dont think being good at offense means you can’t be a blue collar team, and I didn’t categorize them as such. Gun to my head with 20/20 hindsight the grizzlies should have moved Allen and Prince sooner for a better shooting wing but they were intrinsic to that team’s culture. The Knicks have more offensive weapons than both those squads.

I do think the personnel is similar to both those teams and like all them, this team is a defense first team, unless you have S tier scoring ability. The main difference between the Knicks and the Grizzlies is the league has way more two way players so you can’t put a team out there anymore than lacks that much shooting.

Yeah, this. It's not that complicated a concept. This team isn't built to outgun opponents. It's built to get stops and score predominantly in Iso-ball. Brunson and Randle both graded out extremely high as isolation scorers, so you build to your strengths. Make a team that gets stops and can be effective off-ball while Brunson and Randle do the heavy lifting.

 

[Wargames]

Yeah, this. It's not that complicated a concept. This team isn't built to outgun opponents. It's built to get stops and score predominantly in Iso-ball. Brunson and Randle both graded out extremely high as isolation scorers, so you build to your strengths. Make a team that gets stops and can be effective off-ball while Brunson and Randle do the heavy lifting.

The iso scoring is great come playoff time too. The playoffs were a bit disappointing but they were injured (literally because BAM was allowed to foul recklessly but I digress).

If you told me this team (if healthy) won 50+ next year and made it to the ECF I wouldn’t be surprised. The Knicks have the make up of a perennial playoff team, and they got some playoff experience as a squad. Taking the next step though is just as hard as it was to get here from where they were in 2019.

 

[storyteller]

The iso scoring is great come playoff time too. The playoffs were a bit disappointing but they were injured (literally because BAM was allowed to foul recklessly but I digress).

If you told me this team (if healthy) won 50+ next year and made it to the ECF I wouldn’t be surprised. The Knicks have the make up of a perennial playoff team, and they got some playoff experience as a squad. Taking the next step though is just as hard as it was to get here from where they were in 2019.

56-win pace after the Josh Hart trade. They have more stability and continuity than the majority of the league. They had the youngest playoff rotation to make the second round. Hopefully, the FIBA stuff will have Brunson, Hart, and RJ riding into the season with momentum.

It's a good situation to be in, roster-wise. It's hard for me to find "the big" move that puts the Knicks into perennial contention, but everything's in pretty good position to stay knocking at the door until something materializes. This new CBA just makes things a lot more unpredictable about, how to take the next step.

 

[Ironman]

Yeah, this. It's not that complicated a concept. This team isn't built to outgun opponents. It's built to get stops and score predominantly in Iso-ball. Brunson and Randle both graded out extremely high as isolation scorers, so you build to your strengths. Make a team that gets stops and can be effective off-ball while Brunson and Randle do the heavy lifting.

Iso works until the playoffs with this team

 

[storyteller]

Iso works until the playoffs with this team

I honestly think the isolations were fine, the shooting was the issue. The Knicks were abysmal from three all playoffs. I'd expect guys like Grimes and IQ to shoot a hell of a lot better than they did. Divincenzo ought to give them another spacing option too. The spacing was bad and Brunson was still spectacular, we just need a few guys to play better and this team can give anyone a tough series.

I kinda think Leon and Co are hoping a leap from Grimes, RJ or IQ bails them out from having to bring another star in for Dolan.