"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[seemorecizzy]

The difference between Jokic and Randle shouldn't have to be explained

Miami's zone is something all their opponents struggled with

I get it you would have liked to see Thibs maybe make an adjustment like that but Randle ain't Jokic who is an All-Time passer and is dominant whether in the high post or low post where as Julius is more of a power guard face up big man with tunnel vision who is awkward in the low post and probably would not draw as much attention not only that our spacing isn't the same unless you wanted Julius to be moved to the 5

Randle gets double teamed every time he's in da post just like Jokic. We aren't comparing talent here, we are talking about a coach telling a player to do something different when something is not working. Going Iso from da three point line is no way to break a zone. It's a team effort and that starts with coaching, regardless of how good a player is.

And yes, even playing Randle at da 5 at times would be an...Adjustment. Which is all da majority of us are asking to see. Try something different and see if it works, but atleast try.


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[ISO]

Guys who can be Transcendent players or could be don’t want to play for Thibs and on the low Thibs probably wouldn’t want them anyway.

This is very overstated.

It seemed that Paul George wanted to play here. Donovan Mitchell wanted to play here. Embiid is open to playing elsewhere and those reports are not even coming from him its reported New York is interesting to him.

Thibs won't stop us from acquiring a star the problem is there aren't many stars available and the FO doesn't want to get raped in trades.

 

[RickyGQ]

Dont tell me this isn't anything Randle Couldn't of done with proper coaching

simple adjustment. Instead we stayed on the outside, held da ball, and went iso every time. How da fukk can u beat a zone doing that?

Low key we've haven't been able to handle a zone since Thibs got here, this has been well documented by me and others in this thread.


And even if thibs didn't try this, the point im making is...HE DID NOT TRY ANYTHING lmao
if he tried something different and failed i could live with that to a degree, but he literally made no adjustments.

The fact that you really think he did all he could of done in dat series and no other coach in da league could of done better is truely fukked up

Lmao. Yes. World renowned 7 foot all world passing Julius Randle. I’m also done with this discussion.

 

[In The Zone '98]

Randle gets double teamed every time he's in da post just like Jokic. We aren't comparing talent here, we are talking about a coach telling a player to do something different when something is not working. Going Iso from da three point line is no way to break a zone. It's a team effort and that starts with coaching, regardless of how good a player is.

And yes, even playing Randle at da 5 at times would be an...Adjustment. Which is all da majority of us are asking to see. Try something different and see if it works, but atleast try.


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Randle can't play the 5, bruh.

This doesn't need to be explained.

Don't look at what Draymond or Bam can do and extend it to every forward.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Lmao. Yes. World renowned 7 foot all world passing Julius Randle. I’m also done with this discussion.

i realize you are either trollin or didnt watch da video lol don't gotta be an elite passer to make that adjustment. Yall keep defending Thibs fukkery though

 

[seemorecizzy]

Randle can't play the 5, bruh.

This doesn't need to be explained.

Don't look at what Draymond or Bam can do and extend it to every forward.

he wouldn't have to play the 5 to make da adjustment made in that video. For the last time lmao its Bout spacing, positioning, and giving the zone different looks instead of da same shyt for 6 games.

If he tried Randle at da 5, i would atleast give him credit for trying to make an adjustment when shyt wasn't working. He did nothing and yall cool with it

 

[In The Zone '98]

he wouldn't have to play the 5 to make da adjustment made in that video. For the last time lmao its Bout spacing, positioning, and giving the zone different looks instead of da same shyt for 6 games.

If he tried Randle at da 5, i would atleast give him credit for trying to make an adjustment when shyt wasn't working. He did nothing and yall cool with it

Why are you playing Randle at the 5 when he doesn't have the mobility to handle that responsibility on defense.

Cmon bro!! Real life isn't 2k.

 

[RickyGQ]

i realize you are either trollin or didnt watch da video lol don't gotta be an elite passer to make that adjustment. Yall keep defending Thibs fukkery though

context matters though. Why does that move for Jokic scramble the heats defense? Cause he’s a literal triple threat that can beat you in so many ways. Randle isn’t as big a target to get the ball to in that area, and once he does get it, he’s only a serious threat to get to the hoop. It’s a lot easier to counter him than it is Jokic.

I’d argue the Knicks did adjust, and it was to get Brunson to push the tempo before the Heat could set up. It was pretty effective and we were one play away from forcing a game 7 in MSG. We gotta stop acting like we were demolished and outclassed as if we didn’t even look like we belonged. We gave the Heat a hell of a fight. The only thing I took away from that series was we needed just one more guy.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Why are you playing Randle at the 5 when he doesn't have the mobility to handle that responsibility on defense.

Cmon bro!! Real life isn't 2k.

Nevermind bro
Not gonna keep explaining myself lol
The answer is literally in da post you quoted
Yall have a good one

 

[seemorecizzy]

context matters though. Why does that move for Jokic scramble the heats defense? Cause he’s a literal triple threat that can beat you in so many ways. Randle isn’t as big a target to get the ball to in that area, and once he does get it, he’s only a serious threat to get to the hoop. It’s a lot easier to counter him than it is Jokic.

I’d argue the Knicks did adjust, and it was to get Brunson to push the tempo before the Heat could set up. It was pretty effective and we were one play away from forcing a game 7 in MSG. We gotta stop acting like we were demolished and outclassed as if we didn’t even look like we belonged. We gave the Heat a hell of a fight. The only thing I took away from that series was we needed just one more guy.

That's not an adjustment to da zone, that's trying to avoid da zone lol. At some point, you gotta play in da half court.

We didn't get demolished but we got outclassed by a lesser squad who had injuries and we had homecourt.

We woulda lost in 5 if butler played game 2. Lets not kid ourselves.

 

[RickyGQ]

That's not an adjustment to da zone, that's trying to avoid da zone lol. At some point, you gotta play in da half court.

We didn't get demolished but we got outclassed by a lesser squad who had injuries and we had homecourt.

We woulda lost in 5 if butler played game 2. Lets not kid ourselves.

They went to the finals dog. Looked like they were going to sweep the Celtics. How much of a lesser squad could they have been?

 

[seemorecizzy]

They went to the finals dog. Looked like they were going to sweep the Celtics. How much of a lesser squad could they have been?

celtics struggled cause they had a shyt coach king. Even then,they almost came back down 0-3.

If Udoka or someone who wasnt a rookie head
coach was there, they woulda smashed Miami.

Mazulla is younger than Al Hortford bro lol We woulda beat boston too, which is why im even more annoyed.

 

[ISO]

i realize you are either trollin or didnt watch da video lol don't gotta be an elite passer to make that adjustment. Yall keep defending Thibs fukkery though

Julius was injured he had 21 assists to 20 turnovers in the series yet you wanted him banging and making plays out the low post

Jokic is too much for even Bam

If you can’t even account for the massive differences in player and the potential trade offs of what you’re suggesting in our context ya whole perspective is wack

If we had Jokic we the damn champions

 

[ISO]

That's not an adjustment to da zone, that's trying to avoid da zone lol. At some point, you gotta play in da half court.

We didn't get demolished but we got outclassed by a lesser squad who had injuries and we had homecourt.

We woulda lost in 5 if butler played game 2. Lets not kid ourselves.

We're the lesser squad we haven't come close to what Miami has done in the last 4 years and you aren't even accounting for our injuries

 

[storyteller]

Isn't the trade two second round picks for Obi? That's what I saw reported...

I don't think there is any way in hell a 23, 24 year old prospect whose best skill is dunking is netting you any first round picks protected or not

Overall the difference in return would have been negligible and insignificant to me its not a hill to die on and I don't think the FO wanted to trade Obi they probably wanted to hold onto him to package him for a star but he essentially forced his way out

Yeah, my bad. It's two seconds. The worst between the Suns and Pacers in '28 and the worst between the Wiz and Pacers in '29.

The rumors about a first-round pick for Obi piled up in the leadup to the trade deadline this year. At the time, it seemed like there was disagreement over which pick would convey. This is around the time talks started, and they continued right to the deadline.

https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-york-knicks-obi-toppin-trade-indiana-pacers-eastern-conference

It wouldn't have to be a big difference to fit the simple statement: The Knicks hang on to assets past their peak value. It's insignificant alone, but there's a pattern. They hang on to middling assets, the assets get more and more exposed and devalued, and then they can barely give the pieces away. Noel, Burks, Obi, and Rose all had value at one point. But the Knicks held on to them until they didn't anymore.

To put it in other words, this FO seems to get attached to its assets unless they demand out. That applies to the Mitchell trade talks, to the middling (or worse) pieces that they wound up having to dump, and resigning players like RJ (your least favorite FO move) and Mitch Robinson. They expect more than they can get for assets and refuse to cut their losses unless they absolutely must.