"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[tremonthustler1]

1. Obi never had value like that. He had plenty of draft day knocks and weaknesses that teams weren’t exactly clamoring for. We were never getting a first round pick or anything really substantial back for Obi after his rookie season and really in general he was an older prospect.

2. Sure we could have got something for D-Rose but we don’t know what the market was for him I doubt anyone was going to give up draft picks for a mid-30’s D-Rose. He was serving the veteran role on this team. I don’t know why y’all assume the Knicks don’t do due diligence you never hear about. This man just signed a damn near minimum $ deal with Memphis.

3. Quickley and Grimes should be viewed as long term pieces not assets for trade.

Knicks FO has made mistakes like any other the team is still in an excellent position.

Then they shoulda decided to sell on Obi once Randle got his extension.

as for Quickley, you have to be convinced he'll settle for 6th man money in a league that may view him as a starter.

 

[Derek Lee]

You got a big dikk, breh but nah, YOU chill. Jersey is .... fukk them nikkas.

fukk Jersey

 

[ISO]

Then they shoulda decided to sell on Obi once Randle got his extension.

There’s nothing to sell dude never had value like that.

2 2nd rounders or 1 FRP (would have to be from a team that really believed in him) or a swap for another meh prospect is an expected return.

The best outcome would be including him in a package trade for a star.

 

[ikbm]

3. Quickley and Grimes should be viewed as long term pieces not assets for trade.

one or BOTH of them nikkas is gone between now and next summer
DDV signing was just the precursor for the purge move
lmao nikka think we hoarding these low value picks, and not drafting the last few years to go after a star with what?
grimes and iq are essentially on the block for the right guy.

 

[ISO]

one or BOTH of them nikkas is gone between now and next summer
DDV signing was just the precursor for the purge move
lmao nikka think we hoarding these low value picks, and not drafting the last few years to go after a star with what?
grimes and iq are essentially on the block for the right guy.

If so, so be it.

I’m well aware that Barrett can’t sweeten a deal on his own.

For now they’re with us not many stars on the horizon.

 

[tremonthustler1]

There’s nothing to sell dude never had value like that.

2 2nd rounders or 1 FRP or a swap for another meh prospect is an expected return.

After year 1, he had enough value to recoup a little bit, but y'all wanted to hedge your bets once Randle got his extension. The mistake came when y'all didn't wanna trade Randle even though the whole point of drafting Obi was to replace Randle.

 

[ISO]

After year 1, he had enough value to recoup a little bit

No he didn’t

 

[Daniel.]

@RickyGQ glad you with me spitting these facts these dudes are homers hell bent on being miserable and buying into bullshyt media narratives and conspiracies

They’re also hypocrites he was French fukk all season now they on his dikk and this idea that we have to move him just because is ridiculous

I really can’t believe they dikksucking players that are mad because they aren’t playing shyt is typical all around the NBA

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Duncan Robinson discusses change in role: ‘Not playing, it sucks’

Heat sharpshooter Duncan Robinson reflected on his season.

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NBA Rumors: Warriors' young core unhappy with restricted playing time

The Warriors suffered another loss at the hands of the Sacramento Kings, falling 114-106 on Monday as Sacramento took a 2-0 lead in the first round of the playoffs.

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None of these stories make any reference to players feeling like the coach wasn't clear in their communication.

None of these reference players feeling like there was politics and favoritism related to their being on the bench.

None of these have links to audios of the player arguing with the coach, saying how he can't coach.

None of these have players explicitly bashing the coach or even questioning the coach directly.

You were JUST talking about hypocrites and sources of sourses not being legit and people falling for the media hype and you post an article citing Chris Broussard citing "someone who is in the know" is saying the young players are pouting about minutes?

The closest you have here is a rental player literally asking why the organization traded for him at the deadline to barely play him. Implied issues with communication, at best and it's unclear who specifically it's directed at.

I'm talking about multiple coach/player relationships that appear to have turned toxic and the concern around the negative impact it could have on the organization, having a coach that is seen by players as a poor communicator and you pull these up as proof of how this is rampant around the league?

Jesus Christ.

 

[Wargames]

tampering is easy and requires no work
This further proves my point that these guys are settling for getting easy and convenient players, and not actually trying to maximize what's best for da team.

Other teams actually have to do real negoitations and bargain with other gms with a clean slate. When's da last time we did that?

You are right but Every team overcharges the Knicks. Even the damn league took a second from them for no reason but

1. There is no evidence he can’t coach in the playoffs he took this team as far as it could go and has done so with every other team he’s coached. This team is nowhere near championship caliber and he outcoached JB Bickerstaff. There is no evidence that Tom Thibodeau could not win a championship with a transcendent player on his team. Of course there is a narrative that Thibodeau can’t win simply because he’s been coaching so long and hasn’t that’s the nature of basketball discussion. So and so executive said is not a source it’s a fukking media propaganda tool and plenty of NBA executives are fukking idiots if these are even actual executives telling these journalists anything.

2. Every coach has their “favorites” it’s called a rotation. There are disgruntled vets and “devalued” players all over the association.

3. OG Anunoby is believed to be a player with untapped potential at a high need position for us. There aren’t many stars or transcendent players available so this is what the team is shooting for.

Stop being such a miserable typical Knicks fan unaware of things that happen in the league and perceptions. The Knicks are back to relevance and in an excellent position if they can land the right star. Stop with the fukking conspiracy theories and overall miserable air. You nikkas are so basic and fall for every ESPN cliche and “executive says” news story.

Please shut the fukk up, we agree on most things if you bothered to read the post but RJ and Thibs. However, your so god damn aggy you come in here looking for a fight. I posted a pro RJ tweet and you went on a five page rant. Another person said damn Thibs has bad habit and your in the middle of a 10 page rant defending him. Most the misery in this thread is from disagreeing with you and then the back and forth you force. Stop projecting!

You remind me of the poster Zema who use to come in here spewing a preset group of facts to just so she could annoy nikkas and try to make a point.

This motherfukker Thibs playoff record is trash and he’s lost multiple times to lower seeds. Likely because he inflates teams regular season wins, but that’s my point. Whenever the opposing team coaches start playoff level coaching (like making changes in game) he can’t win. He can’t adapt to shyt until he sits down and watches tape. The win against the Cavs was cool, but that roster is shyt because Ainge robbed them during the Mitchell trade. The only thing I will give Thibs credit for is he isn’t as stubborn it just took him to being down in game four to realize “Randle is playing injured and sucking…. Let’s sit him”. Yeah Randle had to get ankle surgery because he played him injured and Obi cursed him out for minutes to play in the next series, but that is an improvement for Thibs.

OG is just a bigger version of Grimes. The motherfukker can’t self create/dribble drive in the half court, he’s saying he wants to do that more to inflate his price, but that is also the reason the Knicks have not offered RJ or IQ for him. He’s a better Grimes but losing RJ’s and IQ’s self creation would be shooting themselves in the foot to get him.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

OG is just a bigger version of Grimes. The motherfukker can’t self create/dribble drive in the half court, he’s saying he wants to do that more to inflate his price, but that is also the reason the Knicks have not offered RJ or IQ for him. He’s a better Grimes but losing RJ’s and IQ’s self creation would be shooting themselves in the foot to get him.

I don’t necessarily think this is a bad thing considering this team has two very heavy ISO slow paced players (Brunson and Julius)

 

[RickyGQ]

NBA Executive believes Tom Thibodeau will hold Knicks back in playoffs

The New York Knicks could make some noise in the playoffs, but there's one NBA executive that doubts the team because of Tom Thibodeau.

dailyknicks.com

Motherfukkers act like this shyt wasn’t and isn’t still 100% true.

But they were wrong. Thibs coached his ass off this playoffs.

 

[RickyGQ]

Cam Reddish is a bum.

Austin Rivers is likely done in the league.

Kemba Walker is likely done in the league.

Obi Toppin is nothing but an energy big who was never going to play over Julius.

Fournier isn’t good enough defensively to justify playing over Grimes/Quickley wasn’t hitting shots and was never going to get the opportunity as a tertiary ball handler here with Brunson/Randle/Barrett. The team was much better off without him.

Rose at this point doesn’t have the durability and can’t compete on the defensive end.

Y’all are fukking retarded and hilariously overrate these players. Of course they’re frustrated and salty they aren’t fukking playing. This is regular look around the fukking league why do y’all think mothafukkas get traded and waived

But it’s a trend tho…

 

[seemorecizzy]

You are right but Every team overcharges the Knicks. Even the damn league took a second from them for no reason but

Please shut the fukk up, we agree on most things if you bothered to read the post but RJ and Thibs. However, your so god damn aggy you come in here looking for a fight. I posted a pro RJ tweet and you went on a five page rant. Another person said damn Thibs has bad habit and your in the middle of a 10 page rant defending him. Most the misery in this thread is from disagreeing with you and then the back and forth you force. Stop projecting!

You remind me of the poster Zema who use to come in here spewing a preset group of facts to just so she could annoy nikkas and try to make a point.

This motherfukker Thibs playoff record is trash and he’s lost multiple times to lower seeds. Likely because he inflates teams regular season wins, but that’s my point. Whenever the opposing team coaches start playoff level coaching (like making changes in game) he can’t win. He can’t adapt to shyt until he sits down and watches tape. The win against the Cavs was cool, but that roster is shyt because Ainge robbed them during the Mitchell trade. The only thing I will give Thibs credit for is he isn’t as stubborn it just took him to being down in game four to realize “Randle is playing injured and sucking…. Let’s sit him”. Yeah Randle had to get ankle surgery because he played him injured and Obi cursed him out for minutes to play in the next series, but that is an improvement for Thibs.

OG is just a bigger version of Grimes. The motherfukker can’t self create/dribble drive in the half court, he’s saying he wants to do that more to inflate his price, but that is also the reason the Knicks have not offered RJ or IQ for him. He’s a better Grimes but losing RJ’s and IQ’s self creation would be shooting themselves in the foot to get him.

 

[RickyGQ]

None of these stories make any reference to players feeling like the coach wasn't clear in their communication.

None of these reference players feeling like there was politics and favoritism related to their being on the bench.

None of these have links to audios of the player arguing with the coach, saying how he can't coach.

None of these have players explicitly bashing the coach or even questioning the coach directly.

You were JUST talking about hypocrites and sources of sourses not being legit and people falling for the media hype and you post an article citing Chris Broussard citing "someone who is in the know" is saying the young players are pouting about minutes?

The closest you have here is a rental player literally asking why the organization traded for him at the deadline to barely play him. Implied issues with communication, at best and it's unclear who specifically it's directed at.

I'm talking about multiple coach/player relationships that appear to have turned toxic and the concern around the negative impact it could have on the organization, having a coach that is seen by players as a poor communicator and you pull these up as proof of how this is rampant around the league?

Jesus Christ.

Aight I’m out. @ISO you on your own fam…

 

[storyteller]

1. Obi never had value like that. He had plenty of draft day knocks and weaknesses that teams weren’t exactly clamoring for. We were never getting a first round pick or anything really substantial back for Obi after his rookie season and really in general he was an older prospect.

2. Sure we could have got something for D-Rose but we don’t know what the market was for him I doubt anyone was going to give up draft picks for a mid-30’s D-Rose. He was serving the veteran role on this team. I don’t know why y’all assume the Knicks don’t do due diligence you never hear about. This man just signed a damn near minimum $ deal with Memphis.

3. Quickley and Grimes should be viewed as long term pieces not assets for trade.

Knicks FO has made mistakes like any other the team is still in an excellent position.

I'm only speaking on maximizing the value of assets. From that standpoint, they continually allow their assets to lose value.

1. Obi's value was definitely not as bad as only receiving "a second round pick three years from now that also includes swap obligations to another team before it conveys."

2. A second round pick three years from now that also includes swap obligations to another team before it conveys would still be more than what they ended up with.

3. If the plan is to trade for a star, then IQ and Grimes are two of the most likely names that opposing gm's are liable to ask for. I'm happy to keep them, but this FO has been clear about wanting a star. They haven't added any first round talent for two years, so they're starting to run out of promising players on rookie contracts to throw in (and their first round picks aren't as valuable today as they would have been viewed last year either).

This FO has done some good and some bad, I said as much out the gate. Their patience is a double-edged sword. It's good because they don't stumble into bad deals or overpay often. But it's also bad because they've been left holding onto assets past their expiration date. They're still in a good position to make a move when the opportunity rises, but they're running out of time and the assets are drying up.