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I know that but Thibs runs people into the ground

That's what he does

Like I said we all know how this movie is gonna end

I think Thibs is a guy you hire to change your culture but when you're ready for the next level you need to bring someone else in
Who did he do this to?

Because Derrick Rose happened to tear his ACL? Gimme a break.

Professional basketball players should be able to handle up to 40 minutes a game that has always been the expectation for stars. Someone can be injured at any time.

What movie? U fire Thibs hire some other guy who will most likely also be fired within 3 seasons with a strong likelihood of not being as good as Thibs and then you hire some other guy. :mjlol:

The Knicks are not ready for the “next level”. Our best players are Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle. And theres no evidence Thibs can’t win a championship he has no egregious series losses or any All-Timers players or teams :mjtf:
 
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Who did he do this to?

Because Derrick Rose happened to tear his ACL? Gimme a break.

Professional basketball players should be able to handle up to 40 minutes a game that has always been the expectation for stars. Someone can be injured at any time.

What movie? U fire Thibs hire some other guy who will most likely also be fired within 3 seasons with a strong likelihood of not being as good as Thibs and then you hire some other guy. :mjlol:

The Knicks are not ready for the “next level”. Our best players are Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle. And theres no evidence Thibs can’t win a championship he has no egregious series losses or any All-Timers players or teams: mjtf:
I can't really argue with what you said here but Thibs has me spooked and he's on a short leash with me

I felt like they should've won the Heat series

I don't trust him long term..
 

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I can't really argue with what you said here but Thibs has me spooked and he's on a short leash with me

I felt like they should've won the Heat series

I don't trust him long term..
Bro give up all hope, they gonna keep running it back until it’s disgusting. Brehs are trying to be like the Yankees, just good enough you can’t justify firing the FO
 

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Bro give up all hope, they gonna keep running it back until it’s disgusting. Brehs are trying to be like the Yankees, just good enough you can’t justify firing the FO
Them running it back is not on Thibs.

Firing Thibs is a lateral move.
 

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Who did he do this to?

Because Derrick Rose happened to tear his ACL? Gimme a break.

Professional basketball players should be able to handle up to 40 minutes a game that has always been the expectation for stars. Someone can be injured at any time.

What movie? U fire Thibs hire some other guy who will most likely also be fired within 3 seasons with a strong likelihood of not being as good as Thibs and then you hire some other guy. :mjlol:

The Knicks are not ready for the “next level”. Our best players are Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle. And theres no evidence Thibs can’t win a championship he has no egregious series losses or any All-Timers players or teams :mjtf:

Saying players should be able to handle heavy minutes isn't an argument against Thibs running players into the ground. Placing an arbitrary number like 36 minutes a game and seemingly suggesting that because players aren't averaging those minutes, it refutes the idea that he's not running them into the ground or being reckless with their minutes doesn't hold up - again, Randle doesn't average 36 minutes a game, but was top 5 in minutes played in the entire league. An average number isn't telling the whole story.

Having the ability/capacity to do something and doing it aren't the same thing. Having the ability/capacity to do something and needing to do it aren't the same thing.

In a league where load management is an evolution to help save players legs for deep playoff runs, or strategy to manage player health, Thibs doesn't believe in it. He doesn't believe in it to a point that he makes a habit of playing starters and stars minutes when a game is well out of reach, whether it be a loss or a win. There is an argument to be made for the benefits of having your players play through victory and defeat to learn from it in real time. There is also an argument to be made that in playing star players when they don't need to play, irrespective of their capacity to, that he's putting players at risk by playing when they don't NEED to - as you just so pointed out, injuries can happen at any time.

If you're cool with his approach because you think players should be able to handle it, cool. I personally see it as an outdated, short sighted approach to the sport that puts players at risk. Coupled with his predictable offensive approach, poor adjustments and reliance on the same starters that are playing heavy minutes in the name of their youth, and we have a recipe, to some, for a coach with significant limitations that may not translate to a championship.

I don't have any alternatives. I don't think the grass is greener. I just don't think Thibodeau is it. He has a solid approach that as someone said, lowers our floor, but doesn't necessarily raise our ceiling. Hell get the most of his teams. He's made us respectable. But long term, his approach doesn't appear to be sustainable for the grind of a long season in this current league and from what I've seen to date, he hasn't given any reason to believe that he will change his approach. With more talent, he might and I'll eat my words. For now, I don't think he's the one to lead us.

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Saying players should be able to handle heavy minutes isn't an argument against Thibs running players into the ground. Placing an arbitrary number like 36 minutes a game and seemingly suggesting that because players aren't averaging those minutes, it refutes the idea that he's not running them into the ground or being reckless with their minutes doesn't hold up - again, Randle doesn't average 36 minutes a game, but was top 5 in minutes played in the entire league. An average number isn't telling the whole story.

Having the ability/capacity to do something and doing it aren't the same thing. Having the ability/capacity to do something and needing to do it aren't the same thing.

In a league where load management is an evolution to help save players legs for deep playoff runs, or strategy to manage player health, Thibs doesn't believe in it. He doesn't believe in it to a point that he makes a habit of playing starters and stars minutes when a game is well out of reach, whether it be a loss or a win. There is an argument to be made for the benefits of having your players play through victory and defeat to learn from it in real time. There is also an argument to be made that in playing star players when they don't need to play, irrespective of their capacity to, that he's putting players at risk by playing when they don't NEED to - as you just so pointed out, injuries can happen at any time.

If you're cool with his approach because you think players should be able to handle it, cool. I personally see it as an outdated, short sighted approach to the sport that puts players at risk. Coupled with his predictable offensive approach, poor adjustments and reliance on the same starters that are playing heavy minutes in the name of their youth, and we have a recipe, to some, for a coach with significant limitations that may not translate to a championship.

I don't have any alternatives. I don't think the grass is greener. I just don't think Thibodeau is it. He has a solid approach that as someone said, lowers our floor, but doesn't necessarily raise our ceiling. Hell get the most of his teams. He's made us respectable. But long term, his approach doesn't appear to be sustainable for the grind of a long season in this current league and from what I've seen to date, he hasn't given any reason to believe that he will change his approach. With more talent, he might and I'll eat my words. For now, I don't think he's the one to lead us.

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Randle was top 5 in minutes because he was relatively healthy and he wasn’t load managed he isn’t an old player or one with a significant injury history, hasn’t made any deep playoff runs and is an in prime 28 year old player so no he wasn’t load managed. 35.5 minutes in only 19th in the league, him sitting some games here and there wouldn’t mean shyt he was healthy you’d had to purposefully sit him out and hurt our regular season record and seeding potentially doing that shyt. Are you saying he should only play 65 games just because?

That big strong man should be able to handle 35.5 minutes for 77 games at 28 years old.

You aren’t saying anything but the same cliches that can be applied to any coach in the league. shyt is hilarious how nikkas become X’s and O’s geniuses who know all the adjustments without ever factoring that the bullshyt y’all come up with would have it’s own draw backs or might not work at all.

All this ceiling and floor talk is just cliches. Thibs sqeezes the most out this roster and takes it as far as it can go period. There is no point in firing him it would be a lateral move that would possibly destroy all the progress we’ve made as a team and organization.

Thibs is winning more than 44 games with the Clippers roster that’s for damn sure.
 

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Randle was top 5 in minutes because he was relatively healthy and he wasn’t load managed he isn’t an old player or one with a significant injury history, hasn’t made any deep playoff runs and is an in prime 28 year old player so no he wasn’t load managed. 35.5 minutes in only 19th in the league, him sitting some games here and there wouldn’t mean shyt he was healthy you’d had to purposefully sit him out and hurt our regular season record and seeding potentially doing that shyt. Are you saying he should only play 65 games just because?

That big strong man should be able to handle 35.5 minutes for 77 games at 28 years old.

You aren’t saying anything but the same cliches that can be applied to any coach in the league. shyt is hilarious how nikkas become X’s and O’s geniuses who know all the adjustments without ever factoring that the bullshyt y’all come up with would have it’s own draw backs or might not work at all.

All this ceiling and floor talk is just cliches. Thibs sqeezes the most out this roster and takes it as far as it can go period. There is no point in firing him it would be a lateral move that would possibly destroy all the progress we’ve made as a team and organization.

Thibs is winning more than 44 games with the Clippers roster that’s for damn sure.


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Again, you got it nikka. You're just doubling down and not even trying to have a real discussion about this. :russ:
 
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Against, you got it nikka. You're just doubling down and not even trying to have a real discussion about this. :russ:
Dude was 19th in minutes and played 77 games.

U think he should sit some games.

I don’t see how that helps the outcome of this season —>not losing to the Heat in any way.

Dumb shyt trying to fire a coach for no reason GRASS AIN’T GREENER nikka :umad:
 

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Want the coach fired with no viable alternative y’all gonna do the same bytching and complaining no matter who is coaching :camby:
 

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Randle was top 5 in minutes because he was relatively healthy and he wasn’t load managed he isn’t an old player or one with a significant injury history, hasn’t made any deep playoff runs and is an in prime 28 year old player so no he wasn’t load managed. 35.5 minutes in only 19th in the league, him sitting some games here and there wouldn’t mean shyt he was healthy you’d had to purposefully sit him out and hurt our regular season record and seeding potentially doing that shyt. Are you saying he should only play 65 games just because?

That big strong man should be able to handle 35.5 minutes for 77 games at 28 years old.

You aren’t saying anything but the same cliches that can be applied to any coach in the league. shyt is hilarious how nikkas become X’s and O’s geniuses who know all the adjustments without ever factoring that the bullshyt y’all come up with would have it’s own draw backs or might not work at all.

All this ceiling and floor talk is just cliches. Thibs sqeezes the most out this roster and takes it as far as it can go period. There is no point in firing him it would be a lateral move that would possibly destroy all the progress we’ve made as a team and organization.

Thibs is winning more than 44 games with the Clippers roster that’s for damn sure.
Randle eats nachos and lemon pepper wings before every game. He gets hangry when his shıt don't go in and stops playing D. He's a 1 dimensional player.
 
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