"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[KnickstapeCity]

tried to rep you but couldn't

My bad, breh. I meant to say grace.




You got such a big dikk that you knew what I was trying to say.

 

[Wargames]

Jaylen Martin Atheletic Profile

Spoiler

BACKGROUND
Mother is Kimberly. Martin went to Florida State University School in Tallahassee and was considered a solid three-star prospect in the 2022 recruiting class. He was a consensus top-200 recruit in the class, with offers from a mix of mid-majors and high-majors. Decided to turn pro early instead, though, and attended the Overtime Elite program. The first year was a bit of a mess for Martin as he struggled to adjust. But he thrived by Year 2. Martin averaged 14 points and six rebounds per game while providing real athleticism out on the court. Eligible for the 2023 NBA Draft and earned an invite to the G League Elite Camp, where he turned a few heads with his athletic play.

STRENGTHS
Martin has a tremendous frame and athleticism for the role he’ll need to play on the wing in the NBA. Came in at 6-foot-5 without shoes at the G League Elite Camp with a 6-foot-11 wingspan and an 8-foot-5 standing reach. Right now, Martin is at
his best on the defensive end, using his length and plus-athleticism to just try to wreak havoc on everyone. He’s active and aggressive on that end, seemingly trying to get his hands into everything. He plays hard constantly. He finds loose balls and works to try get his hand into everything he can. He has a chance to be a good on-ball defender with his length and overall quickness. Beyond that, Martin was also quite good this past season at running out in transition and trying to attack the basket. He’s twitchy and can get creative in his sequences both off the bounce and in terms of his footwork. Loves to use the pump fake to attack closeouts. Has a nasty Euro step and step-through combination. Has great balance and coordination in addition to some real vertical pop and explosiveness throughout his moves. At the very least, his motor, size, length, coordination, fluidity and explosiveness are all interesting for a potential NBA wing even if the skill level remains a work in progress.

WEAKNESSES
Martin is a real work in progress. His jumper is just nowhere near ready yet. He took six 3-pointers per game this past season and made under 30 percent, which is not good. Jumper does not look all that clean right now. Elbow isn’t underneath the ball. Has kind of an inward bend. It’s a very set shot right now. Seems like there is some real off-hand interaction. It’s not totally broken, though. He just needs to work through continuing to get it to a place where he can be reliable on set shots. If any sort of contest comes in, things look like they get kind of out of whack. He also doesn’t really provide much for his team right now as a passer and needs to work through his overall feel for the game on offense. Again, this is a project that will need multiple years in the G League given how young he is. But there’s at least a pathway to success.

SUMMARY
Martin needs much refinement, but you can at least see a world where five years down the line, the guy who is 6-foot-5 without shoes, has a 6-foot-11 wingspan and has real explosiveness plus fluidity in and out of his moves can play in the NBA. Especially if he’s going to be willing to make defense his calling card night in and night out. Martin needs to get as good as he can on the defensive end of the court while also finding a home that will specialize in working on his jumper. If he does that, he’ll best position himself for success. He’s probably more of an Exhibit 10 guy, but I wouldn’t have an NBA team buying in and going for it on a two-way.

Ranked 73

They think this kid is a 5 year project…

The didn’t do one for Obi’s brother because he was outside the top 75 and ranked 93….

 

[RickyGQ]

Jaylen Martin Atheletic Profile

Spoiler

BACKGROUND
Mother is Kimberly. Martin went to Florida State University School in Tallahassee and was considered a solid three-star prospect in the 2022 recruiting class. He was a consensus top-200 recruit in the class, with offers from a mix of mid-majors and high-majors. Decided to turn pro early instead, though, and attended the Overtime Elite program. The first year was a bit of a mess for Martin as he struggled to adjust. But he thrived by Year 2. Martin averaged 14 points and six rebounds per game while providing real athleticism out on the court. Eligible for the 2023 NBA Draft and earned an invite to the G League Elite Camp, where he turned a few heads with his athletic play.

STRENGTHS
Martin has a tremendous frame and athleticism for the role he’ll need to play on the wing in the NBA. Came in at 6-foot-5 without shoes at the G League Elite Camp with a 6-foot-11 wingspan and an 8-foot-5 standing reach. Right now, Martin is at
his best on the defensive end, using his length and plus-athleticism to just try to wreak havoc on everyone. He’s active and aggressive on that end, seemingly trying to get his hands into everything. He plays hard constantly. He finds loose balls and works to try get his hand into everything he can. He has a chance to be a good on-ball defender with his length and overall quickness. Beyond that, Martin was also quite good this past season at running out in transition and trying to attack the basket. He’s twitchy and can get creative in his sequences both off the bounce and in terms of his footwork. Loves to use the pump fake to attack closeouts. Has a nasty Euro step and step-through combination. Has great balance and coordination in addition to some real vertical pop and explosiveness throughout his moves. At the very least, his motor, size, length, coordination, fluidity and explosiveness are all interesting for a potential NBA wing even if the skill level remains a work in progress.

WEAKNESSES
Martin is a real work in progress. His jumper is just nowhere near ready yet. He took six 3-pointers per game this past season and made under 30 percent, which is not good. Jumper does not look all that clean right now. Elbow isn’t underneath the ball. Has kind of an inward bend. It’s a very set shot right now. Seems like there is some real off-hand interaction. It’s not totally broken, though. He just needs to work through continuing to get it to a place where he can be reliable on set shots. If any sort of contest comes in, things look like they get kind of out of whack. He also doesn’t really provide much for his team right now as a passer and needs to work through his overall feel for the game on offense. Again, this is a project that will need multiple years in the G League given how young he is. But there’s at least a pathway to success.

SUMMARY
Martin needs much refinement, but you can at least see a world where five years down the line, the guy who is 6-foot-5 without shoes, has a 6-foot-11 wingspan and has real explosiveness plus fluidity in and out of his moves can play in the NBA. Especially if he’s going to be willing to make defense his calling card night in and night out. Martin needs to get as good as he can on the defensive end of the court while also finding a home that will specialize in working on his jumper. If he does that, he’ll best position himself for success. He’s probably more of an Exhibit 10 guy, but I wouldn’t have an NBA team buying in and going for it on a two-way.

Ranked 73

They think this kid is a 5 year project…

The didn’t do one for Obi’s brother because he was outside the top 75 and ranked 93….

They hit Obi with the “now yous can’t leave…”?

 

[ISO]

Lol at signing Jacob Toppin to a 2 way.

Obi isn't going anywhere

 

[ISO]

The Knicks need a Ty lue to take them to that next level

Gotta come back to this post because mad nikkas dapped this.

The Knicks need Ty Lue. Ty fukking Lue. We have to fire Thibs and try to get Tyronn Lue. No disrespect to that brother but what has he done for this mention? He happened to win one of most miraculous rings ever mainly because of circumstances and having two All-Timers in James and Irving going ape shyt, shyt that Thibs has never had.

The Clippers have not even had a 50 win season under his watch and yes injuries played a role in that but that man hasn't done shyt for me to say yeah he'll put us over he'll take us to the next level. Nikka HOW...Thibs is already squeezing every win possible out this roster.

Lue resume does not stack up against Thibs...if Lue were hired here he'd be on the hot seat in 2-3 years

Nikkas say anything to push the narrative y'all really think the grass is greener huh

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Gotta come back to this post because mad nikkas dapped this.

The Knicks need Ty Lue. Ty fukking Lue. We have to fire Thibs and try to get Tyronn Lue. No disrespect to that brother but what has he done for this mention? He happened to win one of most miraculous rings ever mainly because of circumstances and having two All-Timers in James and Irving going ape shyt, shyt that Thibs has never had.

The Clippers have not even had a 50 win season under his watch and yes injuries played a role in that but that man hasn't done shyt for me to say yeah he'll put us over he'll take us to the next level. Nikka HOW...Thibs is already squeezing every win possible out this roster.

Lue resume does not stack up against Thibs...if Lue were hired here he'd be on the hot seat in 2-3 years

Nikkas say anything to push the narrative y'all really think the grass is greener huh

We've seen enough of Thibs to know what kind of coach he is dawg

Everyone knows his shortcomings I don't know why you acting like you don't know that he can only take you so far

He got undressed in that Heat series the Knicks had better players they should've won that series.

I mentioned Lue because he wants out of the Clippers situation cause he's tired of Kawhi's bullshyt. Ty Lue is UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED as one of the best coaches in the league

 

[Wargames]

Obi isn't going anywhere

Nah I think they trade him, but when they want to not when he does, and to whom they want. They paying his brother and giving him a shot. So Obi is going to stfu until they are ready.

 

[ISO]

We've seen enough of Thibs to know what kind of coach he is dawg

Everyone knows his shortcomings I don't know why you acting like you don't know that he can only take you so far

He got undressed in that Heat series the Knicks had better players they should've won that series.

I mentioned Lue because he wants out of the Clippers situation cause he's tired of Kawhi's bullshyt. Ty Lue is UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED as one of the best coaches in the league

1. I don’t know that and I don’t believe that. Thibs never coached LeBron James, Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard, or Paul George, much less had these players as duos.

2. Thibs outcoached Bickerstaff and beat a higher seeded Cavs team. The Heat made it all the way to the Finals so there is no shame in that and I don’t believe we had the better players especially considering the injuries we had.

3. By who? Thibs is also considered one of the best coaches in the league he is universally respected. Thibs is a 2x CoY. Lue has zero. I was reading up on Ty Lue on Reddit to gauge fans perspective. That man was getting shytted on. You know what they were saying? Slow to make adjustments, stubborn, used too many lineups, played Mook more than RoCo who the fans wanted more of, trotting out non-spacers, not starting Terence Mann, using “feel out” games in the playoffs, Lue got lucky with the Cavs and would have had the same results with David Blatt, etc. A lot of the same generic fan commentary that is used against Thibs and practically all coaches.

I need to hear why personality wise and X’s and O’s wise Ty fukking Lue is the guy we should have. We should overhaul our culture, fire Thibs and continue to pay him, and bring in Ty fukking Lue.

Where do y’all get these ideas from?

Imagine us on a losing streak and seeing this face on the sideline dude would quickly become public enemy number 1

 

[Joe Sixpack]

1. I don’t know that and I don’t believe that. Thibs never coached LeBron James, Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard, or Paul George, much less had these players as duos.

2. Thibs outcoached Bickerstaff and beat a higher seeded Cavs team. The Heat made it all the way to the Finals so there is no shame in that and I don’t believe we had the better players especially considering the injuries we had.

3. By who? Thibs is also considered one of the best coaches in the league he is universally respected. Thibs is a 2x CoY. Lue has zero. I was reading up on Ty Lue on Reddit to gauge fans perspective. That man was getting shytted on. You know what they were saying? Slow to make adjustments, stubborn, used too many lineups, played Mook more than RoCo who the fans wanted more of, trotting out non-spacers, not starting Terence Mann, using “feel out” games in the playoffs, Lue got lucky with the Cavs and would have had the same results with David Blatt, etc. A lot of the same generic fan commentary that is used against Thibs and practically all coaches.

I need to hear why personality wise and X’s and O’s wise Ty fukking Lue is the guy we should have. We should overhaul our culture, fire Thibs and continue to pay him, and bring in Ty fukking Lue.

Where do y’all get these ideas from?

Imagine us on a losing streak and seeing this face on the sideline dude would quickly become public enemy number 1

Me asking for Ty Lue is wishful thinking and I know Thibs won't be fired NOW BUT I feel like next season depending upon how the Knicks do Thibs should be on thin ice

If they get to the playoffs and he gets outcoached and loses a series that the Knicks should've won again then he needs to go

Thibs runs his stars into the ground and is not an imaginative offensive coach.

All he cares about is defense

 

[ISO]

Me asking for Ty Lue is wishful thinking and I know Thibs won't be fired NOW BUT I feel like next season depending upon how the Knicks do Thibs should be on thin ice

If they get to the playoffs and he gets outcoached and loses a series that the Knicks should've won again then he needs to go

Why? Ty Lue hasn’t done shyt. What’s wishful about that?

It’s not a single series Thibs lost that he should’ve won.

The Miami series was a wash at best given how competitive the RS games were and the matchups to slight edge Miami due to hobble Quickley/Randle/Grimes and playoff Jimmy.

Thibs is not responsible for bricked threes or Randle underperforming and he should not be fired for that.

Y’all want a perfectly fine coach who has gotten the most out this team fired for no good reason.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Why? Ty Lue hasn’t done shyt. What’s wishful about that?

It’s not a single series Thibs lost that he should’ve won.

The Miami series was a wash at best given how competitive the RS games were and the matchups to slight edge Miami due to hobble Quickley/Randle/Grimes and playoff Jimmy who is the best player in the floor by a good margin.

Thibs is not responsible for bricked threes or Randle underperforming and he should not be fired for that.

Y’all want a perfectly fine coach who has gotten the most out this team fired for no good reason.

I know how this movie ends and you do too

 

[ISO]

Me asking for Ty Lue is wishful thinking and I know Thibs won't be fired NOW BUT I feel like next season depending upon how the Knicks do Thibs should be on thin ice

If they get to the playoffs and he gets outcoached and loses a series that the Knicks should've won again then he needs to go

Thibs runs his stars into the ground and is not an imaginative offensive coach.

All he cares about is defense

Knicks offense was top 3 last season and y’all gotta stop using D-Rose tragedy against Thibs no one on the Knicks averaged even 36 minutes

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Knicks offense was top 3 last season and y’all gotta stop using D-Rose tragedy against Thibs no one on the Knicks averaged even 36 minutes

I think he took a year off Jalen Brunsons career the way he used him in that Heat series

I think it was game 6 or 7 where he played the whole game and he was already hurt

 

[ISO]

I think he took a year off Jalen Brunsons career the way he used him in that Heat series

I think it was game 6 or 7 where he played the whole game and he was already hurt

In the playoffs your best players should be prepared to go all 48 especially in do or die situations.

Spo has played LeBron James and Jimmy Butler all 48 minutes.

Historically high level players average 40 minutes in the playoffs it ain’t no thing.

This is how I know y’all copy the same generic talking points and run them into the ground.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

In the playoffs your best players should be prepared to go all 48 especially in do or die situations.

Spo has played LeBron James and Jimmy Butler all 48 minutes.

Historically high level players average 40 minutes in the playoffs it ain’t no thing.

This is how I know y’all copy the same generic talking points and run them into the ground.

I know that but Thibs runs people into the ground

That's what he does

Like I said we all know how this movie is gonna end

I think Thibs is a guy you hire to change your culture but when you're ready for the next level you need to bring someone else in