"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

[SAJ!!]

As far as the Beal trade goes, it is a definite hard pass.
Same with Embiid and Towns, unless it's a fair offer and not that Knicks tax BS,

 

[ikbm]

Its his fault the lights get to bright for Randle in the playoffs?

actually yeah, it kinda is.
that goofball old head thinks its ok to run ridiculously outdated offensive sets, forcing a POWER FORWARD to isolate 28 feet away from the rim like he's a guard. thinking the same shot diet he had will work in the regular season vs all nba defenders.
I never in my life seen a team run so little off ball actions. high school offenses can be more nuanced than the shyt we were trying to pull vs the heat.
brunson being amongst the best isolation threats in basketball saved his ass time and time again.
why the fukk have I never seen randle get a rub screen to cross the front of the rim...when i see jimmy butler get more "big man" looks than our big man
why are we amongst the only teams in the nba that run rotations of 4 big men
why do we never weaponize grimes ability to shoot with off ball actions
our offense is legit a carbon copy of the 2017 rockets offense that was figured out 6 years ago. force mismatch, attack mismatch, kick out to static shooter in either corner against defenses that already know how to rotate and peel off. playing that overly simplified style works in the regular season.
his coaching style is so averse to risk, we're at the bottom of the league in passes, near the bottom in pace...and we do that all the sake of winning the possession game by limiting turnovers and grabbing rebounds. no team in the history of the nba has won alone on that combination. the things we try to dominate at can easily be schemed out in the post season.
if we had higher level talent we'd see the same struggles. he raises your floor never your ceiling

 

[Redguard]

Knicks going for the big payback next season

 

[ISO]

Your definition of great & the real definition of great are two different things. He runs his starters into the ground, that's a fact. His type of play isn't sustainable in the long run of an 82 game season. He's super slow to make adjustments, isn't creative on offense, makes questionable subs a lot of nights, outright plays favorites to the detriment of the team, & is out of touch with how the game is played today

1. That’s not a fact and what isn’t mentioned is he has been given bare bones rosters where certain players had to heavy lift. I’m keeping Luol Deng in the game if the alternative is playing the likes of Ronnie Brewer.

2. His style of play isn’t sustainable over a course of an 82 game season, based on what?

3. Our offense was third in the league we had one of the highest offensive ratings of All-Time actually.

4. His subs being trash is your opinion, it’s basketball sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. This is something virtually every coach in the league gets criticized for by fans who think they know better.

5. Coaches play their guys they have their favorites.

6. I’m pretty sure Thibs knows how the game is played today more than random average joes on the internet.

 

[Daniel.]

Every coach is stubborn and could be called out for this. This is such a cliche among fans it’s crazy. There isn’t a single liked coach on this forum and almost every coach is called out for the same thing.

I don't understand. Does it being a "cliche" or being applicable to other coaches make it any less true?

I don't follow other teams. I'm not clamoring for other coaches. I'm saying Thibs approach comes with limitations. I'm not arguing him being a bad coach - just a coach that isn't championship caliber. There are plenty of players that aren't considered championship caliber, or unable to lead a team to one - why wouldn't that narrative apply to a coach?

 

[Glorious]

Randle was trash. IQ was trash. Grimes was trash. I'm not putting that on Thibs. Not going deeper into the bench and seeing what spark you can get - that I put on Thibs.

I'll never forgive Riley for leaving Blackmon on the bench. Never. And Thibs is from Riley's disciplines.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Thibs is interesting because he does get the best out of his players. Brunson had a career year, Julius had career years, IQ became a six man of the year nominee, Mitch, Grimes and McBride are developing nicely.

However his lack of adjustments comes a little too late. For example if you see Julius have a 57 TS in the playoffs with Grimes on the court but a 34 with Hart out there why are you starting both Barrett and Josh Hart? We all knew that was a disaster incoming.

If Brunson is getting double teamed like hell why don’t you have him off the ball more?

Thibs banked on the Miami heat other starters eventually cooling off from three but it never happened. By game 5/6 you have to just abandon that theory and move on. Same with not putting Fournier in the game. If you needed more shooting why not put Fournier in the game? Was Caleb Martin really going to torch Fournier?

He’s a good coach but he’s stoic when it comes to adjustments

 

[ikbm]

Thibs is interesting because he does get the best out of his players. Brunson had a career year, Julius had career years, IQ became a six man of the year nominee, Mitch, Grimes and McBride are developing nicely.

However his lack of adjustments comes a little too late. For example if you see Julius have a 57 TS in the playoffs with Grimes on the court but a 34 with Hart out there why are you starting both Barrett and Josh Hart? We all knew that was a disaster incoming.

If Brunson is getting double teamed like hell why don’t you have him off the ball more?

Thibs banked on the Miami heat other starters eventually cooling off from three but it never happened. By game 5/6 you have to just abandon that theory and move on. Same with not putting Fournier in the game. If you needed more shooting why not put Fournier in the game? Was Caleb Martin really going to torch Fournier?

He’s a good coach but he’s stoic when it comes to adjustments

they actually didnt shoot well from 3 vs us. we were so putrid on offense it didnt matter.

 

[ISO]

I don't understand. Does it being a "cliche" or being applicable to other coaches make it any less true?

I don't follow other teams. I'm not clamoring for other coaches. I'm saying Thibs approach comes with limitations. I'm not arguing him being a bad coach - just a coach that isn't championship caliber. There are plenty of players that aren't considered championship caliber, or unable to lead a team to one - why wouldn't that narrative apply to a coach?

It’s bullshyt man…that’s why coaching in the league is volatile. It wasn’t like this in the past.

Every coach has limitations or what’s perceived as such by fans substitutions, rotations, relationships with players, and “adjustments” it’s the same shyt here every thread about coaches.

U know what makes a championship level coach? Replace Julius with prime Bron and we in the damn Finals.

 

[Knicksman20]

1. That’s not a fact and what isn’t mentioned is he has been given bare bones rosters where certain players had to heavy lift. I’m keeping Luol Deng in the game if the alternative is playing the likes of Ronnie Brewer.

2. His style of play isn’t sustainable over a course of an 82 game season, based on what?

3. Our offense was third in the league we had one of the highest offensive ratings of All-Time actually.

4. His subs being trash is your opinion, it’s basketball sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. This is something virtually every coach in the league gets criticized for by fans who think they know better.

5. Coaches play their guys they have their favorites.

6. I’m pretty sure Thibs knows how the game is played today more than random average joes on the internet.

1- Yes it is a fact, you're just in denial & riding hard for him for whatever reason. A good coach will mix & match during the regular season to see what his players have
2- Based on his body of work in Chicago/Minny/Here. He's doing the same shyt over & over & you're completely ignoring that
3- We're 3rd in the league because of the high usage & mins the starters play. And best believe Jalen Brunson helped inflate those numbers covering for Randle & Thibs
4- That's another fact you're ignoring; most of us in this thread & on KFTV question his subs almost on a nightly basis; you're being disingenuous
5- I don't know if I've seen any coach enable a player like Randle when he's been toxic & half asses on defense most nights but he's a "great coach" lol
6- Yeah that's true but the criticism he gets is justified; just not in your eyes lol

 

[In The Zone '98]

Randle was trash. IQ was trash. Grimes was trash. I'm not putting that on Thibs. Not going deeper into the bench and seeing what spark you can get - that I put on Thibs.

There was only Evan and Rose and at the end of the bench. Everybody reading this thread who've watched all year, know them dudes are washed.

Tf they were supposed to do?

 

[tremonthustler1]

There was only Evan and Rose and at the end of the bench. Everybody reading this thread who've watched all year, know them dudes are washed.

Tf they were supposed to do?

if Miami had the gall to use Duncan Robinson against y'all, using Fournier at least to see if he could shoot wouldn't have killed y'all.

 

[ISO]

1- Yes it is a fact, you're just in denial & riding hard for him for whatever reason. A good coach will mix & match during the regular season to see what his players have
2- Based on his body of work in Chicago/Minny/Here. He's doing the same shyt over & over & you're completely ignoring that
3- We're 3rd in the league because of the high usage & mins the starters play. And best believe Jalen Brunson helped inflate those numbers covering for Randle & Thibs
4- That's another fact you're ignoring; most of us in this thread & on KFTV question his subs almost on a nightly basis; you're being disingenuous
5- I don't know if I've seen any coach enable a player like Randle when he's been toxic & half asses on defense most nights but he's a "great coach" lol
6- Yeah that's true but the criticism he gets is justified; just not in your eyes lol

1. I don’t see a problem with a quality starter playing 40 minutes especially on a team that doesn’t have particularly talented back ups. Also, no one on the Knicks this season averaged even 36 minutes.

2. He got the most out of all three of those teams. They went as far as they could go given their circumstances and talent level—Wolves, Knicks, Bulls. ‘11 and ‘15 Bulls, ‘18 Wolves, and ‘21 and ‘23 Knicks were as good as they could possibly be most other coaches would not take them as far.

3. Doesn’t matter how you slice it 3rd is 3rd and most people would not believe we would have a top 3 offense if you told them that before the season.

4. Every fan complains about their coaches substitution patterns.

5. Julius is toxic and he is “enabled” top down. Julius is a player with a certain cachet in the league and there is belief in him in the organization. He is a big part of what we do unfortunately. He gets leeway like the “star” players do.

6. Criticism is cool it’s the calls for firing for an organization that has ran through coaches for 20 years that bother me. It’s the pretending that there is this savior out there we can hire. It’s the general disrespect for a coach with a close to .600 career winning %, a 2x CoY winner, someone who has legitimately impacted the way defense was played in basketball for a minute, someone who has developed so many guys, someone who was selected to be on the coaching staff for Team USA, someone who gets the most out his teams at every stop as a head coach and was an important assistant on elite teams, as far as metrics go for evaluating coaches his career is a success. There is no way in hell that he is a bad coach. He might be the best damn coach we’ve had since Van Gundy.

 

[RickyGQ]

I tried to come up with a three teamer where NO gets Scoot, the Knicks get Zion and Charlotte gets God knows what, and it's just not worth it for Charlotte.

Closest I came up with is

Knicks get Zion
Pelicans get Randle and Scoot
Hornets get Dyson Daniels, 4 1's from the Knicks, 1 from the Pelicans

Yea that’s not enough to drop from 2-14.

 

[In The Zone '98]

if Miami had the gall to use Duncan Robinson against y'all, using Fournier at least to see if he could shoot wouldn't have killed y'all.

Lol. Knock it off.