"White liberals are the most racist people"-Ben Carson

[samtalksradio]

Yo on the real fukk both partys none of them give a fukk about black people nikkas love to kiss the dems ass but last time I checked nikkas was still broke still in he ghetto fukk em both.

 

[theworldismine13]

I am saying yall are giving the American political system, as it is in practice, way more credit than it deserves.

These stupid fukks haven't been able to balance a budget in 30 years, and the GOP hasn't accomplished anything in the context of their core principles/rhetoric since the whole "small govt" philosophy was born. And yet somehow, through some process neither you nor Twimmy can explain, they are a key tool for us to use to build black power? fukk that. Money is power and we don't need to play politics to get it.

What? I never said government was the way, I said creating an academically oriented culture is the core issue and the core solution, i talked about the intelectual development of the hip hop nation and focusing on the knowledge element, I think that is the key, developing our own academically oriented culture

I was dismissive of both political parties and said people should vote for whoever, like I said about Detroit, black people are not going anywhere until we deal with culture

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

What? I never said government was the way, I said creating an academically oriented culture is the core issue and the core solution, i talked about the intelectual development of the hip hop nation and focusing on the knowledge element, I think that is the key, developing our own academically oriented culture

I was dismissive of both political parties and said people should vote for whoever, like I said about Detroit, black people are not going anywhere until we deal with culture

You are not dismissive of both parties. You are consistently way harder on the left than you are on the right, and then when called on it throw up your hands and claim neutrality. You make allegations of veiled racism and destructive policies from the left but dismiss the overt racism and destructive policies of the right, and then write off anyone who disagrees with you or has anything negative to say about the right as "intellectually stagnant", while proclaiming to be an advocate for "intellectual freedom". You have a whole logic loop set up to deflect the discussion from a direction in which you have to actually defend your views, and you are a perpetual hypocrite, literally doing exactly the opposite of what you claim to be doing. Lets just keep it real here.

I mean look at all the points I made about the GOP's ineffectiveness. You haven't said shyt. You just go on and on about the semantics of the discussion. Its very obvious what you are doing.

 

[The Real]

You are not dismissive of both parties. You are consistently way harder on the left than you are on the right, and then when called on it throw up your hands and claim neutrality. You make allegations of veiled racism and destructive policies from the left but dismiss the overt racism and destructive policies of the right, and then write off anyone who disagrees with you or has anything negative to say about the right as "intellectually stagnant", while proclaiming to be an advocate for "intellectual freedom". You have a whole logic loop set up to deflect the discussion from a direction in which you have to actually defend your views, and you are a perpetual hypocrite, literally doing exactly the opposite of what you claim to be doing. Lets just keep it real here.

I mean look at all the points I made about the GOP's ineffectiveness. You haven't said shyt. You just go on and on about the semantics of the discussion. Its very obvious what you are doing.

I think what happened is that he ended up making achieving some self-discovery, moved away from the left (he used to be much more left) and now he's on one of those projective trips where he feels he has to engage in left bashing as part of cementing his newfound "intellectual freedom"/convincing himself that he's reached a higher level. A lot of the time it feels like he's talking to his past self.

 

[theworldismine13]

You are not dismissive of both parties. You are consistently way harder on the left than you are on the right, and then when called on it throw up your hands and claim neutrality. You make allegations of veiled racism and destructive policies from the left but dismiss the overt racism and destructive policies of the right, and then write off anyone who has anything negative to say about the right as "intellectually stagnant". You have a whole logic loop set up to deflect the discussion from a direction in which you have to actually defend your views. Its very transparent.

I think I've already said that becuase my thesis has to do with culture I'm closer to conservatives, I've described myself as center right and I've said milton Friedman is the gawd, I have never dismissed GOP racism, I never even consigned Carson's statement, ive said straight up that black people have to steal ideas from people that are racist, and ive cosigned making faustian bargains with said racist people, so I think I've been pretty straightforward about where I stand

As far as actual political parties, I said it doesn't really matter who you vote for and that it's actually better to split the vote and trying to make black people dominant in both parties

So you don't have to decipher anything, I've said things straight up

I simply look at GOP racism different, you see it and feel we need a defensive strategy, I see it and I think we need to get an offensive strategy, but I've never dismissed GOP racism

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I think I've already said that becuase my thesis has to do with culture I'm closer to conservatives, I've described myself as center right and I've said milton Friedman is the gawd, I have never dismissed GOP racism, I never even consigned Carson's statement, ive said straight up that black people have to steal ideas from people that are racist, and ive cosigned making faustian bargain with said tacist peoplr, so I think I've been pretty straightforward about where I stand

As far as actual political parties, I said it doesn't really matter who you vote for and that it's actually better to split the vote and trying to make black people dominant in both parties

So you don't have decipher anything, I've said things straight up

I simply look at GOP racism different, you see it and feel we need a defensive strategy, I see it and I think we need to get an offensive strategy, but I've never dismissed GOP racism

Heres the problem with your "emulate the GOP" theory... like I keep saying and you keep ignoring the motherfukkers are all talk. In practice they are just as fiscally irresponsible and dependent on govt as any liberal. And fiscal conservatism has taken a back seat to the absurd social stances the GOP has adopted even in rhetoric. So what "ideas" should we steal?

Right now the GOP is like the neighborhood slut who is a devout Christian. Why should anyone buy into her philosophy if she is living foul???

And will you stop with the fukking lie that "it doesn't really matter who you vote for"? Clearly based on the fact that "almost all majority black cities are run by black liberals and almost all black cities are economic disaster zones", and in your opinion "liberal ideologies isnt really anything black people should be championing", in your own words it DOES matter who you vote for. If that is your opinion, thats cool, but dont be a fukking coward and run from it when people question it

And I know you look at GOP racism differently. You think blatant + overt racism should be overlooked and emboldened with our votes, while the nonexistent "theoretical" hypothetical racism of the liberal party is an issue "black people shouldnt champion". Everything the GOP does, even when it is explicitly to marginalize black people, is OK and should be accepted in the quest for "black domination", and everything the left does is destructive and racist. You think that we are so stupid and narrow minded we can only look at things through the lens of race, and thus feel you have to create this lie of liberal racism to get us to buy into your thinking. Its a pretty fukking blatant double standard, and a real insult to my intelligence. Many folks including myself have been critical of the left, even in the capacity of race... but also for many things, including the left's economic and fiscal policies. So I don't know why you are trying to talk down to us and create nonexistant issues to try and win people over.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I think what happened is that he ended up making achieving some self-discovery, moved away from the left (he used to be much more left) and now he's on one of those projective trips where he feels he has to engage in left bashing as part of cementing his newfound "intellectual freedom"/convincing himself that he's reached a higher level. A lot of the time it feels like he's talking to his past self.

Cognitive dissonance is a motherfukker. I struggle with it myself. But I'm open about it. Thinking can change over time, it's fine... but if you are presenting your thinking as strong from an objective POV, defend it. My big gripe with dude is all the flip flopping and outright lying he does.

 

[theworldismine13]

I think what happened is that he ended up making achieving some self-discovery, moved away from the left (he used to be much more left) and now he's on one of those projective trips where he feels he has to engage in left bashing as part of cementing his newfound "intellectual freedom"/convincing himself that he's reached a higher level. A lot of the time it feels like he's talking to his past self.

I wouldn't put it that way but that is essentially right, I've moved right on a lot of issues and when people ask why I take that position, I explain the reasons why and yes one of those reasons is the racism I noticed in the left and the other reason is I just don't think the way leftist a frame issues is correct, so yes I do bash liberals to make myself feel better and to clarify my positions

 

[theworldismine13]

Heres the problem with your "emulate the GOP" theory... like I keep saying and you keep ignoring the motherfukkers are all talk. In practice they are just as fiscally irresponsible and dependent on govt as any liberal. And fiscal conservatism has taken a back seat to the absurd social stances the GOP has adopted even in rhetoric. So what "ideas" should we steal?

Right now the GOP is like the neighborhood slut who is a devout Christian. Why should anyone buy into her philosophy if she is living foul???

And will you stop with the fukking lie that "it doesn't really matter who you vote for"? Clearly based on the fact that "almost all majority black cities are run by black liberals and almost all black cities are economic disaster zones", and in your opinion "liberal ideologies isnt really anything black people should be championing", in your own words it DOES matter who you vote for. If that is your opinion, thats cool, but dont be a fukking coward and run from it when people question it

And I know you look at GOP racism differently. You think blatant + overt racism should be overlooked and emboldened with our votes, while the nonexistent "theoretical" hypothetical racism of the liberal party is an issue "black people shouldnt champion". Everything the GOP does, even when it is explicitly to marginalize black people, is OK and should be accepted in the quest for "black domination", and everything the left does is destructive and racist. You think that we are so stupid and narrow minded we can only look at things through the lens of race, and thus feel you have to create this lie of liberal racism to get us to buy into your thinking. Its a pretty fukking blatant double standard, and a real insult to my intelligence. Many folks including myself have been critical of the left, even in the capacity of race... but also for many things, including the left's economic and fiscal policies. So I don't know why you are trying to talk down to us and create nonexistant issues to try and win people over.

Yo, saying you disagree with me or you dont like the way i talk or that you think im condescending is not evidence of me contradicting myself and its not evidence that I've said that government is the key

I've said straight up that black people should make a Faustian bargain with the GOP, if you disagree then disagree, but i am not contradicting myself

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Yo, saying you disagree with me or you dont like the way i talk or that you think im condescending is not evidence of me contradicting myself and its not evidence that I've said that government is the key

I've said straight up that black people should make a Faustian bargain with the GOP, if you disagree then disagree, but i am not contradicting myself

Again, the GOP hasn't been able to make any headway in its core principles in the last 50 years. How do you magically think they'd be able to accomplish anything for us??? And you claimed liberals have been key in our destruction... and that voting GOP would be a good strategy for us to gain political leverage. That is a direct contradiction with the idea that "govt isnt key".

Can you talk us through how voting GOP would help bolster "black domination"?

And note, my criticisms aren't an endorsement for us to go blindly with the left as we are... its true, the left does take our vote for granted and have (inadvertently IMO) enacted policies that have worked against us. So I see our situation as having NO choices in politics, and having to seek out solutions either internally or through other (FINANCIAL) channels.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

And when you talk to people condescendingly while being wrong yourself and claiming to be an advocate of "intellectual freedom", yea, motherfukkers might come at you sideways. For all your liberal slander, somehow you seem to have internalized and mastered the passive aggressive non-committal discussion style the worst of them engage in.

 

[theworldismine13]

Again, the GOP hasn't been able to make any headway in its core principles in the last 50 years. How do you magically think they'd be able to accomplish anything for us???

Can you talk us through how voting GOP would help bolster "black domination"?

And note, my criticisms aren't an endorsement for us to go blindly with the left as we are... its true, the left does take our vote for granted and have (inadvertently IMO) enacted policies that have worked against us. So I see our situation as having NO choices in politics, and having to seek out solutions either internally or through other (FINANCIAL) channels.

Breh you are confusing things, you accused of me of saying government is the key and you accused me of contradicting myself, the only evidence that you have presented to support your allegations is your personal political views

Ok i get it, you have problems with the GOP, that doesn't mean that I said government is the key and that doesn't mean I'm contradicting myself, do you not see the absurdity of arguing that I'm contradicting myself becuase I disagree with your opinion?

As far as your post, I've never said the GOP can do anything for us, I've said the key to black domination is changing black culture to be academically focused, and pushing for the intellectual development of the hip hop nation and bringing back the knowledge element

I've said I'm center right and consigned Milton Friedman, so I wouldnt frame the issue in terms of what the GOP or the government can do for us, so I can't really answer that

What I've said vis a vis the gop is that we should do things for the sake of crass raw political power, I wouldn't put it in terms of solving problems per se, becuase the key to solving problems is dealing with the culture

The options that black people have are almost infinite, you can vote for whoever the fuk you want to vote for, but just make sure you do vote

 

[theworldismine13]

And when you talk to people condescendingly while being wrong yourself and claiming to be an advocate of "intellectual freedom", yea, motherfukkers might come at you sideways. For all your liberal slander, somehow you seem to have internalized and mastered the passive aggressive non-committal discussion style the worst of them engage in.

Why you so mad son?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Breh you are confusing things, you accused of me of saying government is the key and you accused me of contradicting myself, the only evidence that you have presented to support your allegations is your personal political views

Im not confusing anything. You said black cities are in disarray because they elect liberal black leaders, and liberalism isn't something black people should be championing. You said black people should vote GOP as part of a "Faustian bargain" and to increase our political leverage. This is all in the context of your idea of promoting "black domination". So you claim you never said gov't is key, but then say govt has been key in our destruction and is an important tool to use in our rebuilding.

SEPARATELY, I'm questioning your assertion that partnering with the GOP would yield any results. What would we get out of them in your Faustian bargain???

Ok i get it, you have problems with the GOP, that doesn't mean that I said government is the key and that doesn't mean I'm contradicting myself, do you not see the absurdity of arguing that I'm contradicting myself becuase I disagree with your opinion?

Thats not what I said at all.

As far as your post, I've never said the GOP can do anything for us, I've said the key to black domination is changing black culture to be academically focused, and pushing for the intellectual development of the hip hop nation and bringing back the knowledge element

Again please stop with this hip hop nation bullshyt.

I've said I'm center right and consigned Milton Friedman, so I wouldnt frame the issue in terms of what the GOP or the government can do for us, so I can't really answer that

Then why have you repeatedly suggested that blacks split our votes between the left and right to increase our political leverage????

What I've said vis a vis the gop is that we should do things for the sake of crass raw political power, I wouldn't put it in terms of solving problems per se, becuase the key to solving problems is dealing with the culture

If the GOP can't do anything for us or help us solve our problems, what is the point of partnering with or helping them in any way????

The options that black people have are almost infinite, you can vote for whoever the fuk you want to vote for, but just make sure you do vote

Turnout has been a key element in many elections... not voting is just as valid a strategy as voting for one side or another.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Why you so mad son?

Why are you so confused?