"White liberals are the most racist people"-Ben Carson

[DEAD7]

ITs not what you make, its what you spend. A billionaire who lives on savings is not living like someone w/no savings and a $10K income.

^you get the point though, if he/she did, statistics would paint him inaccurately.

My whole point is throw statistics in the bushes.

If they are still financially attached in any way to their middle class parents, this whole point is moot. They are still dependents of their parents and are thus within whatever class their parents are in.

And lower to upper middle class is still middle class. I dont know if you know but middle class wages are stagnant. People are not "moving up the ladder" in any majority.

The housing bubble crisis, and the constant fumbling of the economy in Washington probably have stagnated wages, but what I'm seeing more than a lack of mobility is the pains of inflation... gross inflation.

That coupled with people being priced out of jobs is a recipe for slower movement.

 

[theworldismine13]

And where are these rich thriving black conservatives? You mean to tell me Ben Carson is where he is for no other reason than voting Republican? Or that he didn't benefit at all from liberal policy

im not sure what this means, im not a black conservative and there are no majority black cities that are lead by a black conservatives

ben carson is where he is becuase of education, and lets clarify what my ideology/theory/position is, its that education is the root cause of black poverty and that to solve the economic problems you have to deal with the culture of education in the black community, obviously my views are closer to conservatives but im not a black conservative and my position is why i make a big deal about hip hop culture and the knowledge element, because i think addressing culture is key

Liberal policy in those cities also consists of racially favorable govt hiring standards, more lenient higher education admission & financial aid requirements, and other pretty significant favorable policies. And you keep harping on the effectiveness of the liberal fiscal plan... what is the GOP's plan? Where/when have they ever implemented it in the real world????

but that is what i just said, liberal economic policies consists of social justice and affirmative action programs, and that is what liberals both black and white consider economic policy for black people, and if you look at liberal cities and black cities that adhere to liberal policies the state of black people is caca, so therefore im suggesting that black people need to look at other policies other than just social justice and affirmative action programs

i dont know what the GOP plan is, but what i think the plan should be is addressing black culture and the anti academic aspect that runs through it, so i support any policy that addresses culture, whether its the democratic, GOP or KRS-One

Well you can breathe easy as nobody claimed the result of black people voting right would be an economic disaster in the first place :50holmes:

this is a mind boggling statement, people are writing essays about how great liberal policies are and that liberalism is the way to go and if we follow GOP policies we are doomed, are you not reading what is being posted?

do you read the posts or do you just skim through them?

All people are saying is its not unreasonable to see why black people would vote for a party for whom the demonizing of black people is central element. But again for you "exercising intellectual freedom" is more important than acting in one's own interests. "People can do whatever they want though"

again i think you are confused, i made a post thanking meachthemonster and dr carson for sharing their opinion and I said God Bless America, thats all i said and then you jumped in

i think its perfectly reasonable for black people to not vote for the GOP and vote democratic, and i think its perfectly reasonable that black people that dont agree with liberal policies to vote for the GOP

i dont have beef with anybody, i dont know why people have beef with me just because im advocating an open intellectual environment where people respect each other and for advocating the intellectual development of the hip hop nation and the knowledge element of hip hop and and pushing for the upliftment of black culture, apparently those are bad things to some people

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

For you, intellectual openness is nothing more than being a black conservative. Not very "open" at all.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

@theworldismine13

how can we legislate a change in culture?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

@theworldismine13

how can we legislate a change in culture?

Charter schools, tear down public housing, disenfranchise blacks who vote liberal

They will come around

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Charter schools, tear down public housing, disenfranchise blacks who vote liberal

They will come around

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Never mind what happens afterwards. Putting a bunch of poor uneducated people on the street will inspire their hustle. Just look at all the homeless people in NYC. Twimmy's got it all figured out. People can do whatever they want though.

 

[theworldismine13]

Its amazing how these so-called pro-black conservatives routinely fall on racist land minds, constructed by their conservative daddies, whenever challenged. I asked you to provide support that neo-liberalism has been a positive for black america at any point in modern history, and your response is to blame the black man. How cute.

The "black liberals" as you call them, are merely small time agents in the neo-liberal environment and machine. The greatest strides our community has made economically was during the '60-70s, when progressive policies were weighted by government support. This is a fact. Your trickle down God Reagan emerged, and all of those strides largely evaporated, creating the economic world we see before us.

Im tired of reading all of these wonderful posts by many in this thread, only to read weak conservative poster responses, that contain nothing but warmed over platitudes and no evidentiary support. Either back up what you say, mr education, or K.I.M

well im not sure what you mean by neo liberal, you do realize that clinton and obama have been labeled neo liberal, right?

but i think the greatest stride black people have made is a direct function of the level of education and the rate the black people are getting high school diplomas and college degrees, so IMO any policy whether liberal conservative that contributes to education is good for black people

first you need to acknowledge that city leadership or even state leadership cannot control macro-economic policies or even local business decisions. they're in office to do the best they can with the budgets that are provided to them. this usually entails city business, not economic enrichment for constituencies. it's misplaced to blame any local politician for the economic success of a minority group imo. but it sounds good for the right to place blame where convenient. i see you didn't mention tx, bama, louisiana, etc....

well i was referring to majority black cities and their micro economic policies are derived for the most part on the notions of social justice and affirmative action and if you look at black cities that have implemented these ideas their caca for the most part, they dont really have much to show for it

and sure i can acknowledge that local officials cannot control globalized and national economic forces as long as you acknowledge that it basically doesnt matter if black voters in these black cities vote for the GOP and also if you agree not to use the lack of control over outside forces to excuse incompetence

 

[theworldismine13]

For you, intellectual openness is nothing more than being a black conservative. Not very "open" at all.

intellectual openness means intellectual openness, period

Good day Sir!

 

[theworldismine13]

@theworldismine13

how can we legislate a change in culture?

i dont think you necessarily can, cuz fundemantally that has to happen at the grass roots, but you can have leaders that advocate uplifitng the culture and you can have programs that try to address it

but i dont think you can legislate culture and thats why i dont think it matters which party black people vote for

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

but i dont think you can legislate culture and thats why i dont think it matters which party black people vote for

Then why do you keep insisting that voting Republican will help us move forward???

 

[theworldismine13]

Charter schools, tear down public housing, disenfranchise blacks who vote liberal

They will come around

yeah i definitely believe in tearing down public housing and section 8

public housing is literally one of the worst ideas that came out of marxist ideology and the Great society, it doesnt do it directly but in a roundabout way it violates the individual and economic rights of the residents and it separates them from the economic system that is built on property ownership, public housing is very unamerican and all public housing should be torn down or time limited

section 8 is ok, but it also should be time limited, it really represents a transfer of government money to the people who own property and it doesnt encourage people who are in section 8 to ownership

and black parents should have the option of sending their kids to charter schools, public schools or access to vouchers

overall we have to focus on education and also expanding our economic and individual liberties

 

[theworldismine13]

Then why do you keep insisting that voting Republican will help us move forward???

apparently im having a slight memory lapse, why dont you do me a favor and link me to where i said that

i could have sworn i just made a speech about intellectual freedom and voting for whoever the fuk you want to vote for

 

[theworldismine13]

Never mind what happens afterwards. Putting a bunch of poor uneducated people on the street will inspire their hustle. Just look at all the homeless people in NYC. Twimmy's got it all figured out. People can do whatever they want though.

actual what people need to do after public housing is focus on education and moving to parts of the country that are cheaper to live in and where it will be easier to own your home, which is what is actually happening already

and you can also build affordable housing, which is not government owned, the point is the government shouldn't own your home, that's unamerican and can lead to a violation of your economic and individual rights

 

[MeachTheMonster]

i dont think you necessarily can, cuz fundemantally that has to happen at the grass roots, but you can have leaders that advocate uplifitng the culture and you can have programs that try to address it

but i dont think you can legislate culture and thats why i dont think it matters which party black people vote for

So does public policy not effect the people at all?