"White liberals are the most racist people"-Ben Carson

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

You missed it obviously.

Which side is less likely to grow government/raise taxes/ add oversight/ legislate morality/ etc....

not which one wont, which one is less likely to?

The right will grow govt, just not the same parts of govt as the left. For fukks sake the last GOP president is the architect of Medicare Part D, 2 wars, corporate bailouts, the Patriot Act yadda yadda. The one before that expanded the military for the Iraq War and renegged on his promise of "No New Taxes". The one before that expanded various govt agencies for the war on drugs. The one before that for the Vietnam War and perpetuating the Cold War. So where the fukk are these GOP politicians shrinking govt? Seems like every time they come into the presidency the govt and federal debt grows

 

[Blackking]

Exactly. Nothing the GOP says is based on truth. Sure I'm all for black folks "expressing their intellectual/political freedom" but there is absolutely no reason for a black man to support the GOP. Their policies are purposefully set up to hurt minorites, and even if you get by that fact, the positives that you could latch on to are all lies.
Better fiscally=a lie

Better defense=a lie

even the social conservatism/religion stuff is a lie when you find out half of them are cheating on their wives and buying prostitutes and shyt.

The GOP is the party of lies and racism. And you either have to be a liar or a racist to deny that fact.

The Democratic party is also the party of lies and racism.

Ben Carson, isn't really my type of dude; however he's entitled to his own opinion... He needs to be careful not to associate with the Levins of the world too much, as they are using him to make the case about black people, that they don't feel comfortable making themselves.

Your right, there's no reason for black people to support the GOP.. but we have every reason to embrace some of the conservative values. And we have no reason to support the white liberals who take the black vote for granted.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The Democratic party is also the party of lies and racism.

Ben Carson, isn't really my type of dude; however he's entitled to his own opinion... He needs to be careful not to associate with the Levins of the world too much, as they are using him to make the case about black people, that they don't feel comfortable making themselves.

Your right, there's no reason for black people to support the GOP.. but we have every reason to embrace some of the conservative values. And we have no reason to support the white liberals who take the black vote for granted.

Hey dude, as long as we are on the same page that "conservatism" in practice is nowhere near the same as conservatism on paper, I think we are all good. People talk about conservative ideals, ideals, ideals, where are they actually being practiced by the GOP?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

'the middle class' is one of the dumbest concepts still around.

Spoiler

but if that's how you really feel, I respect it. Both sides of the isle have been failing the people for a long time.

I'm curious, why do you say that?

 

[No_bammer_weed]

almost all majority black cities are run by black liberals and almost all black cities are economic disaster zones, so liberal ideologies isnt really anything black people should be championing either

Its amazing how these so-called pro-black conservatives routinely fall on racist land minds, constructed by their conservative daddies, whenever challenged. I asked you to provide support that neo-liberalism has been a positive for black america at any point in modern history, and your response is to blame the black man. How cute.

The "black liberals" as you call them, are merely small time agents in the neo-liberal environment and machine. The greatest strides our community has made economically was during the '60-70s, when progressive policies were weighted by government support. This is a fact. Your trickle down God Reagan emerged, and all of those strides largely evaporated, creating the economic world we see before us.

Im tired of reading all of these wonderful posts by many in this thread, only to read weak conservative poster responses, that contain nothing but warmed over platitudes and no evidentiary support. Either back up what you say, mr education, or K.I.M

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

you sound mad, but i understand its vital to your world views and a lot of people to make sure that hip hop is just music and entertainment, hip hop has 9 elements and knowledge is an element of hip hop, thats just a fact according to KRS-One, and its the version of hip hop that I follow and have always followed and i dont see anything wrong with demonizing high school dropouts and rappers, KRS-One does it all the time, dropping out of high school is not something KRS one encourages and rapping about gibberish and things that are destructive to the black community arent encouraged either

and this lack of discussion about culture whether hip hop culture or black culture is a big problem with liberalism IMO, what you need to do is stop using government policies to not discuss culture also, that will lead to failed policies

Which of the 9 elements are you active in?

 

[DEAD7]

The right will grow govt, just not the same parts of govt as the left. For fukks sake the last GOP president is the architect of Medicare Part D, 2 wars, corporate bailouts, the Patriot Act yadda yadda. The one before that expanded the military for the Iraq War and renegged on his promise of "No New Taxes". The one before that expanded various govt agencies for the war on drugs. The one before that for the Vietnam War and perpetuating the Cold War. So where the fukk are these GOP politicians shrinking govt? Seems like every time they come into the presidency the govt and federal debt grows

Its only a matter of time before Bush jumps out and crushes the GoP platform

I can say nothing in defense of G.W.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Its only a matter of time before Bush jumps out and crushes the GoP platform

I can say nothing in defense of G.W.

They got him on a short leash bruh. "Here Dubya, come paint some dogs"

I do think the GOP can legitimately reinvent themselves and take the country back. But they have to actually follow their word. I would be OK with smaller govt and fiscal responsibility, but in more than just convenient rhetoric.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The Democratic party is also the party of lies and racism.

Ben Carson, isn't really my type of dude; however he's entitled to his own opinion... He needs to be careful not to associate with the Levins of the world too much, as they are using him to make the case about black people, that they don't feel comfortable making themselves.

Your right, there's no reason for black people to support the GOP.. but we have every reason to embrace some of the conservative values. And we have no reason to support the white liberals who take the black vote for granted.

Black people do embrace conservative values. That has nothing to do with who they vote for though. Conservative=/=republican.

And I disagree with the "take the black vote for granted" line of thinking. Lets be real at 10% of the voting public no matter what we do, other, larger groups will get more consideration. The power we have now is by aligning with other minorities, that's how we made an impact the last couple elections. Splitting our vote up for the sake of being different will stifle our power. Our best bet is to stay with the dems for the time being, in order to force the GOP to come to us. Once they do we shouldn't hesitate to jump ship, which would in turn cause the dems to pander to us more.

I reject the idea of conforming to any political ideology in America. Politics in America wasn't created for us, in fact it was created to keep us out. So we need to play the game in our own way as opposed to trying to emulate what we were told about politics.

 

[DEAD7]

I'm curious, why do you say that?

Capitalism is at its heart a system of economic mobility, and most people do not spend their life, in one bracket. What you get when you look at statistics is a snapshot of a specific point in time...VERY SPECIFIC.

It really shows you nothing, and is just used politically to further an agenda.

I'd give examples, but I think you get the idea...

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Its amazing how these so-called pro-black conservatives routinely fall on racist land minds, constructed by their conservative daddies, whenever challenged. I asked you to provide support that neo-liberalism has been a positive for black america at any point in modern history, and your response is to blame the black man. How cute.

The "black liberals" as you call them, are merely small time agents in the neo-liberal environment and machine. The greatest strides our community has made economically was during the '60-70s, when progressive policies were weighted by government support. This is a fact. Your trickle down God Reagan emerged, and all of those strides largely evaporated, creating the economic world we see before us.

Im tired of reading all of these wonderful posts by many in this thread, only to read weak conservative poster responses, that contain nothing but warmed over platitudes and no evidentiary support. Either back up what you say, mr education, or K.I.M

Dudes talking about welfare dependence and breakdown of the family structure and saying nothing of the evaporation of livable wage work, infrastructure, and a tax base beginning in the mid/late 70's having a casual role in that.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Capitalism is at its heart a system of economic mobility, and most people do not spend their life, in one bracket. What you get when you look at statistics is a snapshot of a specific point in time...VERY SPECIFIC.

It really shows you nothing, and is just used politically to further an agenda.

I'd give examples, but I think you get the idea...

Yeah I can agree that statistics are used more to mislead than inform. But there is no denying that upward mobilty in America is more a dream than a reality.

 

[bzb]

almost all majority black cities are run by black liberals and almost all black cities are economic disaster zones, so liberal ideologies isnt really anything black people should be championing either

first you need to acknowledge that city leadership or even state leadership cannot control macro-economic policies or even local business decisions. they're in office to do the best they can with the budgets that are provided to them. this usually entails city business, not economic enrichment for constituencies. it's misplaced to blame any local politician for the economic success of a minority group imo. but it sounds good for the right to place blame where convenient. i see you didn't mention tx, bama, louisiana, etc....

I prefer enemies over fake friends.

Both sides have faulted to be sure, but liberals do it with a smile and a "We're lookin out for you" type of attitude.

Plus, the right is better fiscally

"fake friends" is rather conspicuous when you compare the actions of the dems vs the gop. i definitely agree with 'know thy enemy', but i refuse to support their cause. again, i agree the dems some times default to appeasement as a means of solidifying their base among minorities and it has created an epidemic of complacency with some disadvantaged groups. i prefer that vs the 'throw the baby out with the bathwater' approach of the gop extremists.

and the fiscal responsibility of the right only comes into play regarding social and economic programs. they want their blank check when it comes to the military complex, which by the way is the largest line item in gov but no one knows where much of that money goes...(but i suspect a lot of pockets are lined).

Fair enough, but the left isn't even in the right ballpark(no pun intended). Government needs to be shrunk for the benefit of everyone... and which side of the isle do you think is most likely to do this?

again, the right would like the gov to be shrunk but only in areas that don't fit their agenda. they're not interested in across the board fiscal responsibility or gov reduction. they also show a great amount of interest in deregulation which furthers the case that they're not interested in protections that cost money, but are beneficial.

like others have said, the talking points of the gop sound good, but when you pull back the covers on what they're really promoting it's either extremely self serving or potentially disastrous in practice.

 

[DEAD7]

again, the right would like the gov to be shrunk but only in areas that don't fit their agenda.

I'll take it. Some cuts > no cuts

 

[DEAD7]

Yeah I can agree that statistics are used more to mislead than inform. But there is no denying that upward mobilty in America is more a dream than a reality.

Its very much a reality, its just become more difficult. Largely due to yellow tape(government interference).