"White liberals are the most racist people"-Ben Carson

[theworldismine13]

No, just pointing out how you knowingly or unknowingly adopted one of the classic conservative logical fallacies. It had all the hallmarks- racism, baseless slander of liberals and irrelevance to the point it was disputing.

If you want a dispute to your assertion though, and this ties in to your whole theory of success, look at the macroeconomic markers of liberal + conservative regions at large. Liberal areas are places on the coasts... NYC, LA, SF... you know, the cultural, financial, technological, educational centers of the country. What are the conservative analogues to these places? There aren't any. The red states are fatter, poorer, less educated and most ironically more dependent on the govt than the blue ones. Even in the red states, you look on a county per county basis, the major cities and educational hubs generally vote Democrat. So I dont think you want to play that game, friend. You can't take the worst segment of a group as representative of the whole, or attribute where black peopel are today solely to the embrace of liberal policy. By this logic all liberals would be in the same socioeconomic tough spots

"B-b-but what about Texas????" Thanks partially to the flight of outpriced coastal liberals and a booming Latino population, Texas AND Arizona are on the left's radar and are estimated to be turning blue in the next decade. This isn't an endorsement of the left or an indicator of some permanent shift... there was a time not long ago that the whole country voted Republican, federally. But its just a rebuttal to your seemingly endless parade of logical fallacies and Republican boot licking.

well im glad you are not disputing the statement becuase its a factual statement

second of all the issue was race, so if you breakdown the liberal cities like LA, NYC, SF, where do black people fit into those cities and into the economies of those cities....what is so great about the liberal policies of those cities that black people need to fight for

liberal policies in those cities as far as race consist of housing black people in public housing tenements and section 8 housing, encouraging illegal immigration and working against school choice, and also some crumbs under the guise of affirmative action, essentially when it comes to blacks the liberal position is one of "social justice" and IMO social justice and civil rights are not real economic plans

im an independent, my point is the notion of some economic disaster if black people dont vote for liberals is hogwash and im not aware of any reason that precludes black people from looking at right wing economic ideas to revitalize black areas and black education, we should be open to all ideas not just ideas from people that are supposedly less racist

 

[DEAD7]

The problem is, they don't actually follow that ideology. It sounds good when they say it on TV, but if you look at their policies they are just as much about big goverment as democrats.

Fair enough, but the left isn't even in the right ballpark(no pun intended). Government needs to be shrunk for the benefit of everyone... and which side of the isle do you think is most likely to do this?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Fair enough, but the left isn't even in the right ballpark(no pun intended). Government needs to be shrunk for the benefit of everyone... and which side of the isle do you think is most likely to do this?

Neither. It's counterproductive to their own well being. How can goverment employees advocate for less goverment if that's the case they should just fire themselves.

 

[DEAD7]

Conservatives are racists.

Who cares? People are free to think/feel however they want. Its the act of discrimination that we should have an issue with.

To much attention is paid to personal feelings and prejudices...

 

[kermit da hustla]

and thats fine, its a free country, but you are not on some higher moral plane, some black people actually disagree with liberals on the actual liberal policies themselves, so for those people it makes more sense to work with conservatives

imo there is a limit, in terms of political power and economic power, to how far black people can get with a strategy of simply voting for the supposedly least racist people, that is why i reject it

no, you're wrong. i am occupying a higher moral plane than any house negro that has the audacity to speak of forums hosted by white supremacists who play to a white supremacist audience. you want to disagree with liberal policies as a black man? cool. that's your prerogative. but that doesn't excuse carson from becoming a sock puppet for racists who have no interest in improving the state of the black community.

that disqualifies him from being taken seriously and, additionally, holding any moral ground above where i'm standing. you're either a white boy or a very confused nikka who is

i visit the conservative sites. i listen to mark levin's show. i listen to hannity. i listen to rush. i listen to michael savage. i stay apprised of what the enemy thinks. they don't like black people - at all. it's not subtle. it's not sentiment you have to search for. they don't like black people.

deal with it.

 

[DEAD7]

Neither. It's counterproductive to their own well being. How can goverment employees advocate for less goverment if that's the case they should just fire themselves.

You missed it obviously.

Which side is less likely to grow government/raise taxes/ add oversight/ legislate morality/ etc....

not which one wont, which one is less likely to?

 

[DEAD7]

I think people hear a kudo given to one side and think that side is being held up as right, and the other as wrong...

That isnt the case.

 

[theworldismine13]

Stop with this hip hop nation bullshyt. You dont give a fukk about hip hop, you dont practice in any of its elements, and you vilify the very type of people who invented and participate in it. You post links to KRS-1, but demonize high school dropouts and rappers- two things KRS is. Get the fukk out of here with this hip hop nation bullshyt, its just a crutch to hide behind to throw shade and hate at black culture.

you sound mad, but i understand its vital to your world views and a lot of people to make sure that hip hop is just music and entertainment, hip hop has 9 elements and knowledge is an element of hip hop, thats just a fact according to KRS-One, and its the version of hip hop that I follow and have always followed and i dont see anything wrong with demonizing high school dropouts and rappers, KRS-One does it all the time, dropping out of high school is not something KRS one encourages and rapping about gibberish and things that are destructive to the black community arent encouraged either

and this lack of discussion about culture whether hip hop culture or black culture is a big problem with liberalism IMO, what you need to do is stop using government policies to not discuss culture also, that will lead to failed policies

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You missed it obviously.

Which side is less likely to grow government/raise taxes/ add oversight/ legislate morality/ etc....

not which one wont, which one is less likely to?

Both

Libs will add oversight. GOP will legislate morality. Both will raise taxes albeit in differnt ways. Dems will raise tax rates the GOP will strengthen income inequality which is in effect raising taxes on the middle class.

 

[filial_piety]

so would you support proprotional representation voting?

Proportional representation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nope

 

[theworldismine13]

"Thank you for your opinion, but all I'm saying is that Black people should be allowed to believe whatever they want, so I don't care about your partisan ranting."

yep, that is correct, intellectual freedom is very important, in 2013 i think black people have reached a point of intellectual and economic stagnation and part of the solution is looking at things from different points of view and using outside opinions

 

[Blackking]

These views are though

Not comparing them but this is like saying "all Hitlers views were not bad, whats the big deal". Nobody's entire world view is bad

LOL.


Ha, r u trying to say that white liberals being racist as a viewpoint is completely unfounded. I think it's a generalization, however, it's completely based in reality.. And actually - it's the most dangerous form of racism (the kind that you accept openly because it's wrapped in sheeps clothing and social programs)

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

well im glad you are not disputing the statement becuase its a factual statement

second of all the issue was race, so if you breakdown the liberal cities like LA, NYC, SF, where do black people fit into those cities and into the economies of those cities....what is so great about the liberal policies of those cities that black people need to fight for

And where are these rich thriving black conservatives? You mean to tell me Ben Carson is where he is for no other reason than voting Republican? Or that he didn't benefit at all from liberal policy

liberal policies in those cities as far as race consist of housing black people in public housing tenements and section 8 housing, encouraging illegal immigration and working against school choice, and also some crumbs under the guise of affirmative action, essentially when it comes to blacks the liberal position is one of "social justice" and IMO social justice and civil rights are not real economic plans

Liberal policy in those cities also consists of racially favorable govt hiring standards, more lenient higher education admission & financial aid requirements, and other pretty significant favorable policies. And you keep harping on the effectiveness of the liberal fiscal plan... what is the GOP's plan? Where/when have they ever implemented it in the real world????

im an independent, my point is the notion of some economic disaster if black people dont vote for liberals is hogwash and im not aware of any reason that precludes black people from looking at right wing economic ideas to revitalize black areas and black education, we should be open to all ideas not just ideas from people that are supposedly less racist

Well you can breathe easy as nobody claimed the result of black people voting right would be an economic disaster in the first place :50holmes:

All people are saying is its not unreasonable to see why black people would vote for a party for whom the demonizing of black people is central element. But again for you "exercising intellectual freedom" is more important than acting in one's own interests. "People can do whatever they want though"

 

[DEAD7]

the GOP will strengthen income inequality which is in effect raising taxes on the middle class.

'the middle class' is one of the dumbest concepts still around.

Spoiler

but if that's how you really feel, I respect it. Both sides of the isle have been failing the people for a long time.

 

[DEAD7]

yep, that is correct, intellectual freedom is very important, in 2013 i think black people have reached a point of intellectual and economic stagnation and part of the solution is looking at things from different points of view and using outside opinions

Everyone has reached a point of intellectual and economic stagnation