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Kobe has pure skill just like Kyrie but still has more flaws in his game than MJ.
Which NBA Player Has the fewest flaws in their game?
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Name me 3 flaws, I'll wait
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Shot efficiency
Not trusting teammates / plays
Too much hero ball at times
Btw Kobe is that dude so don’t
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Which five were those?
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Who did Kobe ever shut down for a full playoff game or series? After 2001 he only played defense in short spurts too, Phil even called him out on it and they didn't win again after 2002 until Lakers put Ariza and Artest in there to actually take the wing defense assignments.I've seen Bron get cooked too many times to be one of the best wing defenders of all time
Bron will only defend stars and superstars in short spurts
Off the top of my head, wing defenders I'll take over Bron:
Pippen
Michael Cooper
Bobby Jones
Kobe
MJ
Bruce Bowen
Tony Allen
Kawhi
Iggy
Artest
Dumars
Glove
Draymond
there are others too, but you gotta take off the stan goggles...guys played def their whole careers...not just a 5 yr stretch
Anyone trying to put Bobby Jones and Glove in the same category of defender is just fukking around. There ain't a single player that the two of them both would have guarded.
And Dumars wasn't remotely as good a defender on wings as Bron, that's just disrespectful. Dumars played on a well-coached team surrounded by defenders as good or better than himself, within that role he was good but on an island he wasn't on Bron's level.
In terms of on-ball defense, Pippen, Coop, MJ, Bowen, Tony Allen, Kawhi, Iggy, Artest, and Draymond are all fair selections. But of those only Pippen, MJ, and Draymond played off-ball free safety defense as good as Bron and only Draymond protected the rim as good as Bron. What made Bron elite is that he had elite on-ball defense 1-4 AND could defend the rim at an elite level AND was one of the best free safeties ever.
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You don't know hoops...and you are not objective
In your mind, Bron was a better on ball defender than Kobe
Bron's on ball defense was not superior for most of his career...he is a better off ball defender than on ball defender
For top 10 all time level talents, MJ, Kobe, Duncan, and Dream were all better defenders than Bron
Media d*ckeats Bron to no end, yet he still hasn't made 8+ all defensive selections...bc he wasn't committed for most of his career
Everyone has great moments defensively, but it's consistency that sets the great ones apart
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Shot efficiency
Not trusting teammates / plays
Too much hero ball at times
Btw Kobe is that dude so don’t
Please don't mention shot efficiency when 45% is the standard for perimeter players
Not trusting teammates but has multiple game changing assists during the finals in crunch time (Horry, Fisher, Artest just to name a few)
Too much hero ball, when that was the norm in that era
Way to add zero information. I gave you 15 links showing specific key moments and long-term trends that proved Bron was an elite defender for most of his career. You couldn't counter that with anything.
When I asked for ONE example of Kobe shutting down another player in a series, you couldn't give it.
And yet you put Kobe as a great defender when he wasn't consistently good on that end past 2000 or 2001?
2004: “Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense. Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”
2008: “We’re trying to work with Kobe in staying inside the team framework of how we play defense."
2013: "No question, Michael was a tougher, more intimidating defender. He could break through virtually any screen and shut down almost any player with his intense, laser-focused style of defense....In general, Kobe tends to rely more heavily on his flexibility and craftiness, but he takes a lot of gambles on defense and sometimes pays the price."
This is the sort of shyt Phil talking about:
Kobe's defense was inconsistent as fukk, which is why he never shut down any significant player in a critical game/series and why he never posted the elite iso/man stats that Bron did. He was an elite defender when he wanted to be but he picked his spots poorly and couldn't be trusted to guard the other team's best player. Look at what Iverson, Ginobli, Hamilton, Nash, Allen, Terry, Westbrook did to the Lakers in big series...where was Kobe's GOAT defensive effort shutting down the players that mattered?
Once Shaq left Kobe wasn't even trying to be his team's defensive stopper anymore, and until the Lakers got Ron Artest to come in and do his job they Lakers lost consistently as a result.
Kobe Bryant Gets By On His "All-NBA Defense" Reputation
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Way to add zero information. I gave you 15 links showing specific key moments and long-term trends that proved Bron was an elite defender for most of his career. You couldn't counter that with anything.
When I asked for ONE example of Kobe shutting down another player in a series, you couldn't give it.
And yet you put Kobe as a great defender when he wasn't consistently good on that end past 2000 or 2001?
2004: “Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense. Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”
2008: “We’re trying to work with Kobe in staying inside the team framework of how we play defense."
2013: "No question, Michael was a tougher, more intimidating defender. He could break through virtually any screen and shut down almost any player with his intense, laser-focused style of defense....In general, Kobe tends to rely more heavily on his flexibility and craftiness, but he takes a lot of gambles on defense and sometimes pays the price."
This is the sort of shyt Phil talking about:
Kobe's defense was inconsistent as fukk, which is why he never shut down any significant player in a critical game/series and why he never posted the elite iso/man stats that Bron did. He was an elite defender when he wanted to be but he picked his spots poorly and couldn't be trusted to guard the other team's best player. Look at what Iverson, Ginobli, Hamilton, Nash, Allen, Terry, Westbrook did to the Lakers in big series...where was Kobe's GOAT defensive effort shutting down the players that mattered?
Once Shaq left Kobe wasn't even trying to be his team's defensive stopper anymore, and until the Lakers got Ron Artest to come in and do his job they Lakers lost consistently as a result.
Kobe Bryant Gets By On His "All-NBA Defense" Reputation
THE TAPE DON'T LIE
TO SUGGEST BRON IS A BETTER DEFENDER THAN KOBE IS BLASPHEMOUS
I'M NOT PAYING U NO MORE MIND
YOU FORGOT TO TURN OFF THE ALL-CAPS FOR THIS ALT.
I guess Phil is embarrassing too cause I was quoting him.
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Pass me the rock nikka
KD has weaknesses people just disregard them because he’s a “hooper” and is an aesthetic scorer.
High dribble, loose handle, slender frame, mediocre passer not bad out doubles and reactive situations but not instinctual too many blind spots and weak limp-wrist passes and overambitious fast balls that lead to TO’s as well as late reads, not a great game manager or on-floor leader, gets jump shot happy at times instead of applying slashing rim pressure with his length. All these things are reasons why in the past he’s struggled against traps and double teams in the playoffs. He has a 4:3 career assists to turnover ratio which is mediocre for a high usage wing player. TO’s was an issue for him this season was averaging over 4 per 36 minutes for a good chunk of the season. Nets adding Harden put KD off-ball more and limited his TO’s a bit.
For many years in his career he was also a mediocre defender he has transformed himself into a very good individual perimeter defender and a solid shot blocker still has tendencies to get screened or backdoored ball watching not a strong team defender and that limits his defensive impact.
KD has weaknesses yeah he’s a beast and a lab creation but yes dude has flaws.
For least weaknesses you have to go with MJ that’s why he’s the G.O.A.T., his only weaknesses are three point shooting (elite jump shooter otherwise), not trusting teammates (good playmaker despite it, drew too much attention to not open things up), and on defense he struggled in the post and reached in a lot and then later on quick guards could get the best of him but dude was a defensive playmaker his gambles often paid off.
High dribble, loose handle, slender frame, mediocre passer not bad out doubles and reactive situations but not instinctual too many blind spots and weak limp-wrist passes and overambitious fast balls that lead to TO’s as well as late reads, not a great game manager or on-floor leader, gets jump shot happy at times instead of applying slashing rim pressure with his length. All these things are reasons why in the past he’s struggled against traps and double teams in the playoffs. He has a 4:3 career assists to turnover ratio which is mediocre for a high usage wing player. TO’s was an issue for him this season was averaging over 4 per 36 minutes for a good chunk of the season. Nets adding Harden put KD off-ball more and limited his TO’s a bit.
For many years in his career he was also a mediocre defender he has transformed himself into a very good individual perimeter defender and a solid shot blocker still has tendencies to get screened or backdoored ball watching not a strong team defender and that limits his defensive impact.
KD has weaknesses yeah he’s a beast and a lab creation but yes dude has flaws.
For least weaknesses you have to go with MJ that’s why he’s the G.O.A.T., his only weaknesses are three point shooting (elite jump shooter otherwise), not trusting teammates (good playmaker despite it, drew too much attention to not open things up), and on defense he struggled in the post and reached in a lot and then later on quick guards could get the best of him but dude was a defensive playmaker his gambles often paid off.