Where would you say Barack Obama ranks among important/influential African Americans in history?
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Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
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Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
Im keeping it 100 hunna your opinion is irrelevant.
Look man, if you have to be black to speak about a black person's impact, that's a stupid line of reasoning.
That's like saying you can't speak about Jesus if you aren't from the middle east.
Just dumb, bro.
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
It's not dumb. You're speaking on shyt that hasn't impacted you in a single day of your goddamn life. Each of those individuals listed by me or other posters had a great impact on my life and have inspired me a lot growing up. It's also funny you claim Pac can't have a spot on your "list". I lived in Watts for a little over 20 years of my life and I remember in my neighbourhood Pac had a lot of positive impact on people. Something you can never identify with. So im not being dumb your on the outside looking in and that doesn't cut it for me.
Malik
Superstar
It was your point, breh.
You compared Tupac to Kim Kardashian. Quit trolling.
I'm pretty sure Tupac didn't impact anyone's life in the way you people suggest he has. No matter how many graffiti murals this dude might have around the country.
Anyone who acts like Tupac's music is right up there with Thurgood Marshall's legal career or Harry Belafonte's social activism is just ignorant to anything that happened before their lifetime.
And if a thug rapper IS among the most influential African Americans, that's really depressing.
BlvdBrawler
Superstar
Not at all. You're creating some logical fallacy. Nowhere did I make any connection between Kim Kardashian and Tupac. What I did to, though, was draw an example based on your assertion:
I'm pretty sure more people know who Kim Kardashian is than Willis Carrier, therefore according to your point he cannot possibly be more influential than she.
Lol breh, what are you talking about? Another rihanna reference?I'm not on any high horse, I'm just being logical. You and a lot of other people in this thread have an extremely narrow and simplistic definition of the word "influential." Let me ask you this, do you know the names of the people who took part in the invention of the internet? Probably not off top, but they're a lot more influential to peoples' lives than Madonna or Bruce Springsteen.
Name recognition does not equal influence. If you want to play the name recognition game, Rihanna is more influential than 2Pac by that criteria. She sold more records and is more popular worldwide. So is Beyonce. 2Pac's work was obviously of a greater creative depth than those two, but let's be real...he was a fukking rapper. I know Pac stans often try to act like he was Jesus, Moses, MLK, Gandhi, Muhammad, Malcolm X, William Wallace, Nat Turner, Monster Kody, and Shakespeare all rolled into one, though.
Musicians can influence peoples' moods for better or worse, and provide inspiration and pleasurable leisure activity. But at the end of the day, your life would essentially be the exact same way in terms of the major aspects: employment, education, career, degree of happiness, family situation, etc. if they never existed. Pac or no other musician had nowhere near the influence on peoples' lives in a tangible sense anybody on the list I named. He didn't help alter the consciousness of an entire nation like MLK or X, or provide the legal groundwork to end Jim Crow like Carter G. Woodson, or create a system of blood banks that saved countless lives like Charles Drew.
There was a thread on sohh similar to this a while back and some people were naming 2Pac, Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan, etc.They are not the most influential...just the most popular. White people want you to believe they are, though.
Rihanna hasn't even sold more than 2pac, in fact 2pacs SINGLE highest selling album, is 33% of ALL of rihannas albums sold combined. Stop talking about what you dont know cac
Give us a list of 10 AFRICAN Americans more influential than 2pac, and I'll have mods lock the thread.
By list, I dont mean just name names, actually explaing, with atleast 3 sentences, how and why each 1 of them are more influential than 2pac.
By list, I dont mean just name names, actually explaing, with atleast 3 sentences, how and why each 1 of them are more influential than 2pac.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Lol...stop being so emotional and Rihanna has sold more records than Pac, you imbecile.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists
Nomad1
Tupac KONY and GOAT
I lived in the hood and Pac had a lot of influence and impact on them so shut the hell up.
See, here you go with the "Thug" rhetoric. Malcolm X was a fukking petty criminal and drug user before becoming one of the most influential people of the 20th century
. The message of most of his music has a place to be discussed as one of the best in his GENRE of music. I don't give a shyt about Harry Belafonte's work when comparing it to Pac's. If you turn on your light bulb they both have influenced a particular genre in a different way. And im NOT comparing Pac's social activism which was limited in comparison to Belafonte. Im speaking specifically in an artistic matter and having your face across the word in places like Kenya, Libya, Sierra Leone, Germany, Brazil and so on, shows that he has influenced or effected people's lives in a particular way. If he hadn't influenced them then why is his face in all of those countries?
Let me guess they were "bored"? 
. You obviously don't like Pac but don't let your bias and stupidity cloud your thinking process. Like I said before, you have no place in this discussion and I'll leave this quote from the GOAT; “To have once been a criminal is no disgrace. To remain a criminal is the disgrace”
Im talking albums bruh. I clearly stated it in my post. Fagggot