You didn't show me anything. You posted two pictures of nikkas who moved to New York as children and immediately fell UNDERNEATH established New York Hip Hop acts that had nothing to do with the South.
& are you really trying say that early hip hop acts spoke with a "Southern tinged" accent? I could tell how you tried to slip that in at the end that you don't believe it yourself and I won't embarrass you by posting any of the thousands of videos showing the people you're talking about and how they spoke at the time.
The Bronx has NEVER had a Southern culture or "Southern based culture" or any of that oddball shyt you're trying to slide in at the end of each paragraph cuz you know it's not supported by history.
hollywood, Caz, Flash, Bam, Maroon,Flower are all from the city.. Now what? If you try to play the "X amount of Hip Hop pioneers were born here" game, you'll lose.. The vast majority of people involved with the early development of Hip Hop were born and raised in The Five Boroughs. You lawst, skoob.
1. Gimme some specific Southern traditions that early hip hop was modeled after. PLease do not post a random Black and white video.
2. I'll agree with you that the earliest get downs and mixes borrowed from funk along with a laundry list of other musical forms prevalent in urban spheres.
3.Nope. It wasn't "born in NYC" with elements from elsewhere, it was a completely new and distinct cultural movement ASWELL as musical art form that was not based on any traditional southern musical norms.. That's why it doesn't sound like ANYTHING you would hear in a Black area of Georgia, North Carolina or whichever unrelated Southern state you wanna pick this post.
4. bboys started in the south now, alright.
think it's nap time for u.
5. Vague Coli babble. What oral traditions? Rhyming words?
What you are doing is mixing people who lived in NYC with those who did hip hop. People forget hip hop was not done by everyone, it was an underground culture, and for a lot of street people. This is the gang part that created hip hop culture which is where the attitude comes from, the dress, and YES that is a NYC thing, but that isn't the only part of hip hop,
When you talk about the musical part, yes the tradition does have a strong connection to the south, and not caribbeans or latins(no disrespect to them) just due to the fact there weren't much of them there in the first place. Puerto Ricans were the largest, but they didn't hang with blacks too tough, which is why the ones who did are noticed. Go to the video I posted of 1st division black spade member talking about only knowing ONE Jamaican at the time. AND yes, Herc does have a southern tinge to his accent as did a lot of people who were in NYC at the time. Even Haitian Jack still has it, and he done moved to D.R., so he had time for it to change. I remember the accents, and how with hip hop music growing it changed to more of how we see it now, but if you listen to older nyc people, they have a touch of southern to their accents.
But back to the music, the first person that is said to bring a system outside in the Bronx was Disco King mario when he moved to the Bronx from N.C. His brother said they used to play records at his fathers bar, and that is why they got into music. After him Kool Dj Dee did it, after moving from Brooklyn(and no caribbeans weren't there in large numbers at the time) and before that N.C. After them it started growing, but remember only certain people could do it because of the GANGS. If you had no connections, you would get robbed, so this rewriting that someone just brought their set out, and had a party is a joke, NYC was DANGEROUS and this is why all the people who are known as the forefathers of hip hop had a connection to the streets which meant a gang connection. When you look at the rapping part, a lot of the early rappers said pigmeat markham's "here comes the judge" was their influence, and pigmeat markham used to do shows at the Apollo so rapping was known for a lot of black people back then, and most of the rapping that I've heard were from people down south.
Now, I can say poetry was a NYC thing, and toasting was done by, and for, the street people. But this was done by blacks in other places also, toasting is basically what Rudy Ray moore was doing, and he said he got it from someone in Hollywood, and we know those blacks at the time came from Mississippi! If you listen to the album "hustler's convention"(which influenced the early rappers as well) the guy who did it says the roots of the toasting tradition was from prison. If you know about street life, people from different parts of the country tend to mix, this is how the bloods came to NYC, someone from L.A. or chicago(not sure) showed OG mack the way of life, and it spread from there. It isn't rocket science to see the connection to rapping, or telling a story with rhyming came from the south.
Its so much to write, and I am not going back & forth when we have the internet now, and the people who created hip hop can tell you their stories themselves. Most of the history we are told about is second generation hip hop from 1976-1980's, but there were people before them who can tell you how this thing was spawned. Journalists don't talk to them because they were scared to go to Bronxdale or deep into the hoods, especially back then or they just listened to what the rappers told them who were young themselves and only knew certain things, and those who embellished the history of hip hop like Afrika Bambatta, and Krs-one, but Krs-one even admitted he was wrong on some of the history because he was so young. Illmaticdelta posted it, but as usual, people act like they didn't see it.
Speaking of Krs-one, if you watch his episode on "Drink Champs" he said he brought the reggae/dancehall style to the bronx from when he was living in Flatbush, brooklyn, and used to puff with the dreads in the park. Now, If Caribbeans/Jamaicans were so large in the Bronx, why would have people never heard that style before? That area of Brooklyn had just gotten big with west indians due to white flight, and caribbeans coming in large droves around 1976, but it was still a mix of black americans as well, its just they took over the area as time went on, and were the first black immigrants, so you take notice of them. He even mentions this on the song "south bronx". "it was seventy-six to 1980 The dreads in Brooklyn was crazyYou couldn't bring out your set with no hip-hop Because the pistols would go". So ask yourself, why would Jamaicans hate rap, if they started it?
Watch all the videos on hip hop if you want to learn, but me & illmaticdelta have been constantly posting videos from this channel and people don't watch like that, they just want to argue. I'm still gonna link it AGAIN!
Michael Waynetv
Good shyt here
fukk yall, we were spitting hot fiyah in my village over traditional drums before slavery existed. In fact my clan started that shyt foh.
