Where was hip-hop created?

[IllmaticDelta]

@IllmaticDelta did you study music history in school? No matter what the genre you got a thousand and 1 facts and references

Stuff mainly learned on my own.

 

[truth2you]

Stuff mainly learned on my own.

That's a lot discipline

 

[Swahili P'Bitek]

another one who doesn't know his own history

I'm tired of this shyt, all yall nikkas are some idiots or just downright devils with your lying. You got pages showing the history, yet somehow these fools keep repeating the same shyt. And this has been going on for YEARS!

Ain't NO way the black man will rise up with people like this on our side. I want nothing to do with idiots like yall because all yall do is hold back blacks frpm progressing. If we show proof of something as hip hop history, and you idiots still don't want to hear, how in the fukk can we stop racism, and that shyt is covert?

For the intelligent people, pay attention to little things like this because it shows its those who look like us who are the ones holding us back from progressing the way we should, and they work with racists, knowingly or unknowingly. If you don't deal with truth, then its obvious you deal with lies!

at your rant. The post you quoted easily illustrates who's telling the truth among the three groups. Africans in the real world don't claim to have started hip hop, its a culture foreign to us too. And if Jamaicans started the art of rap, how is it that the equivalent of a rapper in jamaica is called a deejay. You missed the meaning of the post then if that's what you got from it.

 

[truth2you]

at your rant. The post you quoted easily illustrates who's telling the truth among the three groups. Africans in the real world don't claim to have started hip hop, its a culture foreign to us too. And if Jamaicans started the art of rap, how is it that the equivalent of a rapper in jamaica is called a deejay. You missed the meaning of the post then if that's what you got from it.

Going by the way you wrote that post, I thought you were Caribbean, I didn't look to see your from Kenya. My fault

As far as the "deeJay" part, I don't feel like explaining this again. Just go back, and read the thread, multiple posters explained it already. Also, even though what you say may be true, we are talking about rapping with people form slavery.

My post still stands, though, because the same shyt has been done too many times

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This is ashame that in the internet era, people still don't research history but can research about gossiping bullshyt!

He doesn't mean the rapping, he's talking about throwing the first party dedicated to playing break beats!

This is getting so tired. Even when August 11th comes around, it is explained that's what happened

Herc wasn't playing a break-centric type of set at that party in 1973. Remember, there were no bboys at that party, the exact people who made herc play funky records instead of reggae

AllHipHop News) There has been a lot of fanfare over the past week in celebration of what has been reported as the 40th anniversary of the birth of Hip Hop.
DJ Kool Herc is one originator that has become almost synonymous with the creation of the culture, but Quadeer “M.C. Spice” Shakur of the Universal Zulu Nation released a statement announcing that Hip Hop did not begin with Herc’s famous party at 1520 Sedgewick Avenue in the Bronx on August 11, 1973.

According to Shakur, Herc is a founding father of Hip-Hop, but he has been misrepresenting his role in the founding of Hip Hop on various news outlets.

The Zulu Nation Minister of Information also states that Kool Herc has asked his name not be included in any Zulu Nation Hip Hop Culture anniversary flyers several of years ago.


In portions of his statement titled “MISREPRESENTATION OF A CULTURE BY A FOREFATHER”, Shakur writes:

Herc is our brother, but when our family strays from us, we must first forgive them for mistakes, but let them know of their wrongdoings, and of course, welcome them back with open arms. We could go on forever about how many artists who are heavily a part of, or were a part of the Universal Zulu Nation, know and understand how serious this is. By no means should ANY of us attempt to change the course of history and flip it for a dollar or for accolades from an industry of Culture Vultures called “the media”, when we have known and still do know that many in the media want the false, doctored-up UN-truths, not the REAL truth. Especially when it comes to Hip-Hop. What is further disturbing is the falsehood that Kool Herc failed to respect the TRUE first ladies of Hip-Hop: ShaRock, Lisa Lee, Debbie Dee, Queen Amber. The women who were there ON THE MIC representing this Culture. Kool Herc went as far as saying his SISTER is the “first lady of Hip-Hop”. Kool Herc’s sister is also his marketing rep, and is part of promoting the falsehood that she (Cindy) is the “First Lady” of Hip-Hop. That’s NOT TRUE.

Kool Herc, aka Clive Campbell DID NOT BIRTH HIP-HOP CULTURE 40 YEARS AGO ON AUGUST 11, 1973. In fact, Kool Herc only did a Back To School JAM in the recreation room at 1520 Sedgewick Avenue in the Bronx. No emcees were present, no “Hip-Hop” was present (a term heavily used by LoveBug Starski and Keith Cowboy), and the Zulu Nation was already in effect. THIS is the reason for this message. Please get a pen and write this down, or go stand near the chalkboard and write this one hundred times to make SURE you remember: HIP-HOP CULTURE IS 39 YEARS OLD…ZULU NATION IS 40 YEARS OLD.

Some may say there’s no difference, and it’s only a year. But truth is, Kool Herc appears to be working with outside forces to overstep and outshine what is taking place THIS November 12th: The 40th Anniversary of the Universal Zulu Nation. Do you know how big that really is? How dangerous that really is? That so many brothers and sisters of the same accord have been together THIS strong for THIS long?

To be forthcoming about the FACTS concerning this message, we MUST inform those who are a part of this Culture that Universal Zulu Nation does NOT condone falsehoods with respects to this Culture of ours. Kool Herc may have done PARTIES, but a PARTY does NOT represent a MOVEMENT. Nor does a PARTY CREATE a movement. But the CULTURE of Hip-Hop CREATED a MOVEMENT and REPRESENTS a movement. Zulu represents and always WILL represent the four spiritual PRINCIPLES of The Culture: Peace, Unity, Love and Having Fun. We also promoted and rocked parties UTILIZING the five physical ELEMENTS of the Culture: Deejaying, Graffitti, Breakdancing, Emceeing and KNOWLEDGE. I would hope that Herc would adhere to the KNOWLEDGE of our Culture and refrain form the misrepresentation and falsehoods. This message is to inform you that there is NO TRUTH to what you have been hearing about Kool Herc and Hip-Hop having a 40th anniversary. Maybe Kool HERC was deejaying for 40 years. Maybe so. But Kool Herc has nothing to do with the TERM “Hip-Hop”. It was a Culture he was INVITED to once our founder Afrika Bambaataa FOUNDED the Culture USING the term. That said, I would venture to say that perhaps Kool Herc’s SOUND system , “The Herculords” is 40 years old, but not Hip-Hop. Give it another year, Herc. And give it a rest. We love you, but we MUST correct you, brother. Happy 39th birthday, Hip-Hop. Happy 40th Birthday, Zulu Nation.

Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture - AllHipHop.com

 

[truth2you]

Herc wasn't playing a break-centric type of set at that party in 1973. Remember, there were no bboys at that party, the exact people who made herc play funky records instead of reggae




Zulu Nation Says DJ Kool Herc Did Not Start Hip Hop And Is Misrepresenting The Culture - AllHipHop.com

EDIT: Yeah, I went back to make sure, and that is supposed to be his first party. Further reading to refresh my knowledge, and sure enough I read he did the "merry go round" a year later, so he is bullshytting! Man, all this time I thought that was the day he did the technique, and I'm seeing it wasn't, I feel like a dikk!

I love hip hop(the older version before this era), but now I feel like everything I thought it was, is a big lie, and I thought i learned the truth when i got older, especially after Hassan Campbell came out, and exposed the zulu nation.

I still have good memories from living it, but the people I thought were so real turned out to be frauds. This shyt hurt me just as much as street nikkas I thought were real who turned out to be soft, and liars. I try to live an honest life so shyt like this is big to me. I can't fukk with this world, but that is my fault because I should know when it comes to money & fame, people start frauding anyway.

Shame on me

Props @IllmaticDelta for showing the truth, I really needed this at this time because I'm trying to change things in my life right now, and this was an eye opener for more serious shyt I need to recognize about the people around me. Peace to you!

 

[truth2you]

@IllmaticDelta All of this is making me think even deeper on this(life works in mysterious ways), and I'm wondering if hip hop was a good or a bad thing for us as black people?

I know it helped me get more into black history, and having pride in myself, around the black power era, but before, and after that it helped push me into being fly, and when the 90's hit it pushed me into thinking backwards about what's important. It wasn't just hip hop, it was my environment as well, but I can be real, and say it added to it. Then when i look at these young kids, its doing the same thing but worse. Do you think we got conned by these labels to use music to have us not seeing the big picture, and being costumers or staying in a life that won't build us up to have real power? Maybe that story about labels, and private prisons, might have some validity?

IDK, but its not just rap, with dancehall I watched it do the same thing. Even Reggae, and Gospel, have us living in a fantasy world its just that with those they are looking for something they can't touch, but I notice the people who listen to those genres heavily don't deal with their issues upfront which is why a lot of them are broke or have medical issues. With Reggae I notice a lot have mental issues. It was the same with rock music, but they just wanted to party, and those people partied their life away. I watched older people who were into music from the 70's, early 80's do the same thing, they couldn't wait to go to the clubs, and those people end up being crackheads or on coke big time, or they don't see enjoyment in life without a party as they got older.

I love music, but i'm starting to wonder is there truth to the theory that satan uses it to manipulate people's thinking? It's hard for me to imagine life without music, because its always been in my life, but these past few years I have been questioning does it have more power then we realize? shyt is hitting me today, especially after learning about the Howard University scandal, and it showing this flossing shyt is getting out of hand, which a lot stems from hip hop.





I might be just venting, but let me know what you think since you have hella knowledge on music, and culture.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

music and the music industry are two separate entities

 

[truth2you]

music and the music industry are two separate entities

Yeah, I used to be part of the industry, and saw the type of people it attracts. I saw how those people are the ones who controlled what was, and what wasn't, hot. shyt was crazy when you see why they wouldn't push artists. A lot of big egos!

I was just venting yesterday, but I think I am gonna try to do things different when it comes to everything such as music, social media, and just living in this world because I don't see things getting better for most people, and I don't want it effecting me too much like I see it effecting others. I feel all of this was done intentionally, but that is going into conspiracy.

Anyway, appreciate your knowledge on our history as black people!

 

[ZoeGod]

The Bronx.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Off sheer numbers I think NYC got more southerners than any great migration destination.

I think only Chicago, Detroit, and maybe Philly are contesting that.

all my life
i never knew an afram fellow nyer who didnt have family in the south

Like a breh, whose great grandmother was born in one of the five boros

is laughable

 

[IllmaticDelta]

all my life
i never knew an afram fellow nyer who didnt have family in the south

Like a breh, whose great grandmother was born in one of the five boros

is laughable

This. I know a few aframs from NYC w/o southern roots (they have dutch surnames that are traced to afro-dutch) but the typical NY Afram of my age group has a grandparent from the south.

 

[im_sleep]

This. I know a few aframs from NYC w/o southern roots (they have dutch surnames that are traced to afro-dutch) but the typical NY Afram of my age group has a grandparent from the south.

Luther Vandross comes to mind as far as famous folks, tho I think it’s only his dad’s side.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Luther Vandross comes to mind as far as famous folks, tho I think it’s only his dad’s side.

what?

 

[im_sleep]

what?

As someone with Northern roots, plus a Dutch last name.