Where does the idea that LeBron is a better all around player than Jordan come from

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

I'm not a Stan of either player so I'm able to see things from an unbiased viewpoint.

I don't understand LeBron being a better overall player considering Jordan cane closer to averaging a triple double than LeBron as well as winning scoring tittle and defensive player of the year in the same season amongst other things.

Jordan did this without trying to as well. By that I mean he didn't stay in the game trying to pad his stats

The idea comes from every Bron team sacrificing balance for Bron being all the encompassing engine of the team. Bron must do it all otherwise it’s not Bron. It’s not a mistake all Bron’s teams struggle immensely when he’s sitting down

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

I’ve never understood arguing FG% regarding one of the most impressive athletes ever

6’9 265?

You better be able to go to the fukking rim

 

[Draje]

I’ve never understood arguing FG% regarding one of the most impressive athletes ever

6’9 265?

You better be able to go to the fukking rim

Because most primary ball handlers don’t tend to score at the rim like Shaq even though teams have a game plan to wall him off of the rim. Teams literally wall off the paint, close the lanes, and sag off of him but he’s still able to finish which is insane

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

Because most primary ball handlers don’t tend to score at the rim like Shaq even though teams have a game plan to wall him off of the rim. Teams literally wall off the paint, close the lanes, and sag off of him but he’s still able to finish which is insane

Yea but let’s not undersell the fact that Bron is Universal Soldier and spacing, defensive tenacity & physical play has changed mightily since he started

 

[klientel]

The idea comes from every Bron team sacrificing balance for Bron being all the encompassing engine of the team. Bron must do it all otherwise it’s not Bron. It’s not a mistake all Bron’s teams struggle immensely when he’s sitting down

Bron is a once in a lifetime talent. You have to build around him 100%. That’s just the way it goes.

You are better off playing his preferred style than not. It’s evident by the fact that Bron ball teams have made the finals 100 times. It’s a successful model regardless of what his finals record is.

 

[filial_piety]

It was never a discussion really...Jordan Is leagues above them all and it even close...its these tv shock jock, hot take, “must see tv” analysts who have started this comparison...the Shannon Sharpes and Max Kellermans of the industry

 

[etrofllenrod504]

One of the biggest reasons why I hate the Jordan LeBron debate, no one ever takes into account position played or system they played in. They both played completely different roles on there teams and was asked to do different things. The debate is dumb imo.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

The GOAT discussion is very archaic at this point. Jordan himself admitted that GOAT rankings should go by era. You need a lot of context before even arguing between eras. Jordan is a GOAT, Kareem is a GOAT, Magic is a GOAT, Kobe is a GOAT, Duncan is a GOAT, Russell is a GOAT, Wilt is a GOAT, Bron is a GOAT, etc.

 

[The_Third_Man]

Uh, you do know that Scottie said MJ cared so much about his stats that he would have a certain goal to reach each quarter, so that he would be sure to get his points up by the end of the game? He was literally thinking about his stats the entire game.

I remember when Mike was about to come back to the NBA with the Wizards, he said "I'll average 24 points a game" when a reporter asked him how, Mike replied "by scoring 6 points every quarter. you don't think I can score 6 points in a quarter?".

 

[Reggie]

Bron is better all around but that should not take away from the fact that Jordan was pretty damn good at rebounding and passing too.

 

[Art Barr]

One of the biggest reasons why I hate the Jordan LeBron debate, no one ever takes into account position played or system they played in. They both played completely different roles on there teams and was asked to do different things. The debate is dumb imo.

no,...
they did not.
LeBron shirked his natural at pg.
he is not a three and bron will always be susceptible to losing because he shirked his natural.
plus still employs parochial high school iq based bball to the big leagues.
the only reason he has won is thr NBA has taken on regressive professional play.
by institution of zone defense, no hand checking, no illegal defense, low iq perimeter based parochial luxury high end sports Facility based play.
instead of high quality iq based basketball

Which is easily schemed out by any past NBA highly pedigreed player and coach.


which is why he is three and six in the finals.
plus ruined two four peats.
plus ruined and traded away the highest pedigreed backcourt in NBA history.
that we can compare to a failed attempt to be the Dallas cowboys doubling doen by trading walker in the nineties. Yet it never materializing in the real number of potentia nba titles. Which also shows he is incapable of being a front office lead player style dynamo as well.
when in comparison mj was having to deal with an errant goof in an account. Then take bullshyt spreadsheet parts and make it all work as well.
without losing in thr finals. To thr point mj's teammates in mythicism are over-rated as this thing. Yet and still in that thing. Mj's former ship teammates own LeBron with inferior parts and high iq execution to make up for it.

this whole debate is a pr midatlantic fake news tabloid digital era based and created farce.
as even in timeline,...lebron has never been anywhere near what Jordan as factually as a player, teammate or all time stat leader as well.

lebron being anywhere near jordan, is lie by tabloid style entertainment rag revisionist.

lebron not even anywhere near mike playing his natural and that is a fact.


art barr

 

[DrexlersFade]

I don't look at stats, those who want to diminish MJ do. I watched MJ play back then and am basing myself on what I saw from him and Bron. Only thing Bron has on MJ is the rebounding, which makes sense since he's basically Karl Malone body-wise. Passing is debatable, and 3 pointers has to be put in the context of the 3 pointer being much less important then than now. Still knocked down 6 of them in a half to set the tone on the biggest stage so

That was the finals record at the time as well

 

[The_Third_Man]

no,...
they did not.
LeBron shirked his natural at pg.
he is not a three and bron will always be susceptible to losing because he shirked his natural.
plus still employs parochial high school iq based bball to the big leagues.
the only reason he has won is thr NBA has taken on regressive professional play.
by institution of zone defense, no hand checking, no illegal defense, low iq perimeter based parochial luxury high end sports Facility based play.
instead of high quality iq based basketball

Which is easily schemed out by any past NBA highly pedigreed player and coach.


which is why he is three and six in the finals.
plus ruined two four peats.
plus ruined and traded away the highest pedigreed backcourt in NBA history.
that we can compare to a failed attempt to be the Dallas cowboys doubling doen by trading walker in the nineties. Yet it never materializing in the real number of potentia nba titles. Which also shows he is incapable of being a front office lead player style dynamo as well.
when in comparison mj was having to deal with an errant goof in an account. Then take bullshyt spreadsheet parts and make it all work as well.
without losing in thr finals. To thr point mj's teammates in mythicism are over-rated as this thing. Yet and still in that thing. Mj's former ship teammates own LeBron with inferior parts and high iq execution to make up for it.

this whole debate is a pr midatlantic fake news tabloid digital era based and created farce.
as even in timeline,...lebron has never been anywhere near what Jordan as factually as a player, teammate or all time stat leader as well.

lebron being anywhere near jordan, is lie by tabloid style entertainment rag revisionist.

lebron not even anywhere near mike playing his natural and that is a fact.


art barr

so you think Lebron has low bball IQ?

 

[Art Barr]

Everyone knows about that regular-season stretch from 1989 Art. You're talking like Trump thinking you're the only person in the world who knows something that is common knowledge and has been repeated a thousand times. You want to focus on stats, MJ averaged 10.6 assists/game for the 24 games he played back in 1989, while LeBron was on his way to averaging 10.6 assists a game for AN ENTIRE SEASON just this year. And don't talk about era when back in 1989 teams were playing faster with more fast breaks and MORE assists/game on average than they are today and MJ had to play a lot more minutes than LBJ to get those numbers too.

Of course, you want to talk eye test rather than stats, there ain't no one serious who can watch the two of them play and think that MJ is a better passer or better distributor than LBJ. Not one.




Don't look at stats at all then. Just look at your own eyes. Ain't no one serious watching a game and thinking that MJ is a better passer, rebounder, or three-point shooter than Bron. Whether MJ "wanted more assists" or not doesn't change the fact that LBJ is on another level as a passer.

And Bron doesn't have the ball in his hand most of the time. NBA has time of possession stats going back to 2012 and Bron averages 5-7 seconds per possession with the ball, just average for a primary ballhandler.




Straight lie and proves you either don't watch the games or don't know what you're seeing. This season is the most LBJ has ever handled the ball by nba.com stats and he's still averaging only 7.5 seconds/possession, 6th in the league. Some seasons (like when he was playing alongside Kyrie or Wade) he was more like 5.5 seconds/possession and 20th-30th in the league.

You don't like stats because they keep you from just straight lying about what happens in a game.

stop.
oh I see.
you mad cause i been exposing this nikka.
this is transference.
which is not even based on a sound eye test from you.
plus is not even based on any real facts or timeline comparison at all.

you flaw as hell too foo. You flodge'n.

now please tell me in timeline how you arose to this.
as all you talking is bullshyt not based or welled in any facts or timeline.

all you slammy winners not really great at ranting at all.
As y'all don't know the subject matter.
you just want a participation ribbon.
all based on trying to be inferior to :


art barr

 

[O.T.I.S.]

O.T.I.S. lies about a stat.

Someone posts the actual stat and proves he's lying.

O.T.I.S. screams "stat geek! bronsexual! cac!"

Tell me y'all haven't seen this movie before.

@ me atleast next time nikka


And like I said... stat geeks. Jordan played in a system and thrived when it matters. Lebron is the system... inflates his stats blatantly and unapologetically. If he loses... atleast he gets his stats

Jordan was never on that shyt