Where do Juicy J and DJ Paul rank as Hip Hop producers?

[VBM]

Paul tho

 

[Wacky D]

i used to like hypnotized minds alot but top 5?

are yall dudes serious?

 

[H.I.M.]

Either the GOATS... or #2 behind Dre.

 

[H.I.M.]

When it is all said and done.
Past the southern lexicon which they are the goats.
They will go down as rap's overall goats.


Art Barr

They are as innovative soul sampling or arguably better than rza or dilla combined.
Next their actual music has stayed a staple of black music.
Whereas once the fire occurred for rza.
Plus rza had to go alternative because once he lost his shyt in said fire.

He never recovered.
just like tip never recovered from his flood or fire
Excuse me if I forget whether rza or tip had a flood or fire. It has been years since I thought to remember the exact circumstances of their loss to their vinyl and files.
Plus, rza's workrate was never on par with the bulk larger volume workrate of Paul and juice.
Speaking of workrate...
They work considerably faster and in larger bulk than anyone you can name that is perceived from nostalgia over them.

Plus their workrate sonically is ahead, on par and even better than anyone you can name to try to dispute as, well.
Plus they learned to create and mix live instruments into the fold of their sound.
Without losing a step of their edge production wise, or sonically.

Plus mastered it faster than anyone in rap, history as well.

Whereas, it is not the same dre who made no one can do it better, or nikka, for life at all.

Nex, they etched out an entire sound for a region that still is and will always be relevant. Without selling out or glossing up that sound to appease a pop crowd.

Like I said earlier...
People maybe resistant to the facts or the discography. Yet right now I could make a case for them being the goats.
Yet, I feel others could raise an argument based on the past.

Instead of the consistency to the here and now. Including the full past and timeline.
As I feel trap rap is nothingnore than horrorcore ny style one syllable beat'em up anthem chant ny style rap. Similar to a legion record, mixed with freestyle fellowship/bone and one syllable luke and early westcoast geto boyz/ugk before the south segregation.
Mixed with horrorcore score, and Miami bass and horror movie interpolation and sample base aesthetics at its core.
similiar to what if rza made grave diggaz with lesser skilled westcoast one syllable rappers, mixed with la the shop innovative melody emcees.
Based on consistency, workrate, relevency to the future, discography....
Right now, I could make a case for them being the best ever and I would be factually accurate to do so.

You really are just putting up your disputes based upon nostalgia.

When real talk, the facts point to right now juicy and Paul being rap's goat producers rather easily.

No one over the course of their career is as versatile, innovative sonically, with the workrate to factually win the argument against juicy j and Paul.

For nostalgia sake I will honor the idea of:

dilla
Rza
Primo
Bomb squad
Marley marl
Dre

As being close or the goat

Yet real talk,...the real long term goat producers in rap is;

Juicy j and DJ Paul

Nobody you can name can fukk with them, when the points of the argument are legitimately raised.


Art Barr

Bar none, the trillest shyt i've ever read in my one year of browsing the booth...how fitting that it was posted by the legendary art barr

 

[Trap-A-LoT]

Jesus Christ, since when the fu*k are we putting DJ Paul and Juicy J in the top 10 of Productions??? When the hell did this happen and over RZA, J Dilla, Preemo, Dre??

Nah man, yall are buggin...

Neg


This song still gives me the chills everytime.The instrumental is one of my favourites ever.

 

[Wacky D]

Neg


This song still gives me the chills everytime.The instrumental is one of my favourites ever.

this aint even that hot.

 

[H.I.M.]

this aint even hot.

 

[Wacky D]

i meant to type not "that hot".

point still stands. random ass beat.

 

[bordeaux]

top 5 personally. just taking into account the shear quantity and quality of their work its kinda hard not to. i think a big part of their being underrated or overlooked is due to ignorance from people who werent up on down south music like that. them being sampled so heavily has pushed them more towards the forefront in the conversation.

 

[28 Gramz]

Greatest of all time.

 

[Wacky D]

top 5 personally. just taking into account the shear quantity and quality of their work its kinda hard not to. i think a big part of their being underrated or overlooked is due to ignorance from people who werent up on down south music like that. them being sampled so heavily has pushed them more towards the forefront in the conversation.

I have an actual RETAIL collection of their music and I was a fan of the group before most of their stans on here even got into hip-hop.

with that said, im not even sure if theyre top 5 southern producers, let alone overall.

theyre definitely the most influential down south producers tho.

 

[mobbinfms]

Top 50 maybe?
What’s a classic beat they made that people freestyle over?
A universal classic album they helmed?
They had a few nice beats though.
But everyone says they laid the blueprint for trap and that is the WOAT era for beats we’ve all been suffering through the past however many years.

 

[Big Mel]

They don't rank at all in my world. People tell me they're dope. I'll take their word for it I guess.

 

[28 Gramz]

Top 50 maybe?
What’s a classic beat they made that people freestyle over?
A universal classic album they helmed?
They had a few nice beats though.
But everyone says they laid the blueprint for trap and that is the WOAT era for beats we’ve all been suffering through the past however many years.

All these songs are classic Three Six remakes. Who cares about making beats nikkas freestyle over when the influence on today's generation is that strong.

 

[mobbinfms]

All these songs are classic Three Six remakes. Who cares about making beats nikkas freestyle over when the influence on today's generation is that strong.

These are classic songs to you? :PPicard:
You knew a beat was when everyone wanted to freestyle over it. Like Shook Ones, Who Shot Ya, etc.

The influence being strong on this generation is one of the strongest arguments AGAINST Paul and Juice. This is the WOAT era for beats. There are no great trap beats. Not a single one. And all I hear is that 36 set it all off