When they say the Dems are too far left, remember this:

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that's a trivial topic, like being able to speak spanish or talmbowt the hardship experienced as a youth, which doesn't help inform voters whether the career/aspiring politician is worthy of their vote

What? Can someone translate this post for me :heh:

I had to read that 4 times before I understood it. And the 4th time was through your quote 3 hours later. But I get it. Unfortunately, he's wrong. Beto speaking spanish or Kamala talking about busing as a kid doesn't speak to whether that person is qualified to be President or even has good policies. But determining "how left" someone or a political party is very important. Especially in the U.S. where "left" is considered a dirty word and is enough reason for even liberals to shun anything related to it. Americans need to understand what "the left" really is, where we fall in the actual spectrum, and accept that "the left" and by extension socialism are not bad things. In fact, we've been benefiting from them for decades now.
 

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I had to read that 4 times before I understood it. And the 4th time was through your quote 3 hours later. But I get it. Unfortunately, he's wrong. Beto speaking spanish or Kamala talking about busing as a kid doesn't speak to whether that person is qualified to be President or even has good policies. But determining "how left" someone or a political party is very important. Especially in the U.S. where "left" is considered a dirty word and is enough reason for even liberals to shun anything related to it. Americans need to understand what "the left" really is, where we fall in the actual spectrum, and accept that "the left" and by extension socialism are not bad things. In fact, we've been benefiting from them for decades now.
This is what happens when you preclude teaching kids about the literal century of US suppression of the labor movement and leftist politics.

People in Europe know more about the US labor struggle than US citizens. :francis:
 

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Electing a black president and passing the pseudo socialist ACA cost the left both the house, and the senate...
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Y’all keep pushing left though...
Eventually you will put two and two together
put two and two together for what? to add up to republican? hell no.

pushing left and actually being left is two different things. we aint went real left in a long time if at all.

You go with bernie for 8 years and lets see what happens. until then, you have nothing to base your assumption on because we havent had any true leftees in there. they have all been repub lights or corporatist/centrist.
 

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Every nation within the 5 eyes has universal healthcare except America.

None of the socialist arguments ever get applied to stimulus packages after every recession...
I also never hear the socialist tag line when rich people get a billion dollar tax cut. Socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor. The elite are extremely effective at convincing the working class to go against policies that would directly benefit them. Screaming socialist every time seems to work.
 

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That is what working with "Centrists" and "Moderates" gets us.
So you accept you didn't have the votes for a centrists proposal.

A further left proposal was DOA a decade ago.

Might still be unless they flip the senate and break the filibuster.
 
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I had to read that 4 times before I understood it. And the 4th time was through your quote 3 hours later. But I get it. Unfortunately, he's wrong. Beto speaking spanish or Kamala talking about busing as a kid doesn't speak to whether that person is qualified to be President or even has good policies. But determining "how left" someone or a political party is very important. Especially in the U.S. where "left" is considered a dirty word and is enough reason for even liberals to shun anything related to it. Americans need to understand what "the left" really is, where we fall in the actual spectrum, and accept that "the left" and by extension socialism are not bad things. In fact, we've been benefiting from them for decades now.
...you dap fishing try hards are the worst. You had to read so many times but you knew exactly who I was talmbowt, you didn't even reference Booker
Imagine being more concerned with how voters view a "word," than whether a career/aspiring politician knows about the economy, views on trades, and plans on energy self-reliance

Folks like you allowed the most powerful within the your fav party, those that gets the most donations from corporation, to hijack what it means to be "left," but want to shift blame
Instead of standing up to the corporate stooges within your fav party and taking ownership of political principles yall claim to be about, your kind instead feels comfortable talking in generalities with a dash of victimhood
 

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...you dap fishing try hards are the worst. You had to read so many times but you knew exactly who I was talmbowt, you didn't even reference Booker
Imagine being more concerned with how voters view a "word," than whether a career/aspiring politician knows about the economy, views on trades, and plans on energy self-reliance

Folks like you allowed the most powerful within the your fav party, those that gets the most donations from corporation, to hijack what it means to be "left," but want to shift blame
Instead of standing up to the corporate stooges within your fav party and taking ownership of political principles yall claim to be about, your kind instead feels comfortable talking in generalities with a dash of victimhood
What the fukk are you talking about. Seriously, this is like, complete and total gibberish. WTF do you think the left actually does? The left in this country literally was reborn off the back of breaking corporate interests in politics.
 

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It isn't like the Republicans in office are centrist/Right of Center in policy either, pretty much hard right wing across the board.

Charging immigrants with federal crimes, no exceptions

Tearing up the Iran agreement

Inching toward confrontation with Iran

Trade war with China

Extreme tax cuts

Replace and Repeal the ACA

I don't how any of those are center/right of center policy, most would look out of place in a George W Bush presidency. Or a Jeb, for that matter.
 

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I also never hear the socialist tag line when rich people get a billion dollar tax cut. Socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor. The elite are extremely effective at convincing the working class to go against policies that would directly benefit them. Screaming socialist every time seems to work.
We all know the Lyndon Johnson quote by now
 

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So you accept you didn't have the votes for a centrists proposal.

A further left proposal was DOA a decade ago.

Might still be unless they flip the senate and break the filibuster.

No it means the party was held hostage by right-leaning Democrats who cloak themselves in "Centrism" and being "Moderate" while using Republican talking points to prevent policies that would benefit most Americans. Universal healthcare shouldn't be seen as an extreme left policy. Every nation in the world can figure this out except the USA.
 

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shyt is almost unbelievable yet it’s the perfect picture of an American conservative. “I got mine so fukk you and yours.”
:russell:Clearly stated(Repeatedly) I’m for a public option or Canadian style block grants.


If your not for the exact healthcare plan liberals want you are against healthcare.:mjlol:
Liberals are amusing.
 
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