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when talking about top nba players why isnt clyde drexler talked about?
- Thread starter Mook
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at almost nothing
at Clyde being better then Wade
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i despise whistle, but this statement simply isn't true.
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Mitch was kind of underrated to me but Clyde was better than Mitch
Mitch was VERY underrated, Clyde was slightly better, Mitch was stuck in crappy ass Sacramento for a lot of his career and on the expansion Wizards. Jordan said Mitch was the hardest guy to guard, enough said.
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Yeah, but Drexler was a hall of fame player in what most people consider the NBA at it's peak (Bird/Magic Era - Jordan era), so getting two teams to the NBA finals as the star player was extremely hard to do.
Every team that won the NBA championship from 1980-1994 is generally considered one of the NBA's legendary teams
Magic's Lakers
Bird's Celtics
Isiah's Pistons
Jordan's Bulls
Dr. J & Moses Malone's '76ers.
So to take two teams to the NBA Finals and lose to Jordan's Bulls and Isiah's Pistons isn't anything to sneeze at.
Vince Carter on the other hand was a genetic freak, who was lazy, didn't ever play defense and never lead a team to jack squat and his prime occurred when there weren't any teams other than the Shaq/Kobe Lakers that could be considered legendary.
Vince benefited from his era more than Clyde.
If Clyde played today, he might have rings with those old Blazer teams.
i cant even lower myself to respond to a comment like this.
edit: **looks at the city that youre reppin**
^^this explains it.
shaq was still a great player in '06. take shaq off this team and theyre lucky to make it out the 2nd round.
put an '06 shaq on the 76ers and iverson definitely gets a chip. holla at me when wade takes a team like the '01 sixers to the finals.
wade is great but hes a bit overrated on here. dont get fooled by his gaudy stats on 20-win teams which featured teammates that instantly got better as soon as they escaped miami.
Shaq couldn't make it work with Kobe.
Do you honestly think that Shaq and a guy who guns even more than Kobe, shoots a lower percentage, doesn't play defense anywhere near as well, and doesn't work nearly as hard, and hates to practice could've won a chip?
I don't.
Allen Iverson is overrated because he was a little guy who could score points.
It'd take him 30 shots to get 30 points, but still the basket went in.
But his style of play made it impossible for him to play with anybody else, which is why nobody ever clamored to make it to Philly to play with him and why him and Carmelo didn't work out in Denver and why he didn't make it with Detroit at the end of his career.
He needed the ball at all times and needed a team full of players who would sacrifice their chances at scoring, play good defense and rebound just for him.
If he had any of the leadership intangibles that Isiah Thomas did, he would've had rings, but he just didn't have it.
Talented, but was too much of an incomplete player to ever win a "chip".
womp-womp
this dude makes a fool out of himself in every thread.
i just saw some random jordan rider in here talking about how jordan got his 1st ring over the blazers.
didnt even know what he was talking about. he prolly just came in here to ride mike.
youre white. dont call me "n*gga".
and hell no. i mean, defensively yea. but he wasnt better than an '06 shaq overall..
i remember mutombo making sixers fans gowhenever he touched the ball in that series. theres people that still bring up their frustrations over that.
and he didnt outplay shaq in those dam finals. what games were you watching?
you act as if zeke, magic & jordan won titles on their own.
you can say that pippen was better than drexler. WITH THAT SAID, you can say that the best 2 players in that series were jordan & pippen. and that the 4th best player was horrace grant.
thats an unstoppable tri-fecta when the rest of the team plays their positions perfectly. dont sleep on the rest of that bulls teams.
the same reason why rasheed & old pippen had a stacked blazers squad and couldnt overtake shaq & kobe's lakers about a decade later. DE JA VU.
You can't say Pippen was better than Drexler, because he wasn't.
Drexler led teams that lost to All-Time great teams in Magic's Lakers, Jordan's Bulls, Isiah's Pistons.
That's not anything to be ashamed of.
Pippen was turned into a great player by Jordan and Charles Oakley (before he got traded) and did an alright job holding it down, but completely fell apart in Houston and Portland when he was given the job as leader.
People forget about Pippen's meltdown when he didn't get the ball with 1.7 secs. in the year that Jordan was gone in Chicago.
Without Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen would've never made an all-star team.
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To answer the OP's question, I honestly think it's because his name is Clyde. 
kind of lame shyt is that?
kind of lame shyt is that?
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when put around other players that can score, iverson shoots less than kobe homie.
carmelo & iverson DID INDEED work out well. did you watch the games or follow the team at all? they co-existed with each other as well as guys like jr smith and others. that team was an offensive juggernaut. they used to have at least 8 guys filling up the stat sheet all in one night on a regular basis AND THEY WERE A 50-WIN TEAM. if their roster didnt have so many players that the media didnt care for, there wouldve been a big deal made out of their offensive output on sportscenter every morning. yall hype over lob city but the nuggets wouldve bullied the chit out them dudes. their problem was that barely anybody played defense outside of camby & maybe kmart. and they didnt have a real starting point guard(no disrespect to anthony carter but he was more of a backup guy by that point).
detroit didnt work because there was nothing to make work over there. it was already a sinking ship filled with turmoil before iverson even got there. they just used iverson as a scapegoat. plus, iverson had no busines being on a slow/methodical team.
its like mashburn said back then: ' i dont know if some of you realize this, but the pistons are in rebuilding mode'. he served up str8 ether to the iverson naysayers.
as for drexler, you basically repeated the same thing i said in his favor a few posts earlier. why are you acting like youre telling me somthing new?
lol @ saying that pippen wouldnt be an all-star without jordan. didnt pippen win all-star mvp when jordan was playing minor-league baseball? and he almost won nba mvp, led the bulls to a 50-win season, and couldve been in the finals that year if not for that controversial call in the knicks series.
pippen was on the downside of his career when he was on the rockets & blazers. and those werent his teams. the rockets were an all-star cast of old stars on their way out of the league, and he played 1b to rasheed in portland....you know the team that was just seconds away from beating the lakers in 2000?
a better question is, how many rings would jordan have if it wasnt for pippen? i think none. and why was jordan such a failure in washington.....on & off the court?
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1. Kobe's a 6'7 guard/forward and hits a higher percentage of his shots and has a more complete game. He's a better jump shooter and has a better post game (obviously). He should shoot more than Iverson, who at 6'0 should have been a point guard. Plus, Kobe's a better defender than Iverson and made 10 all defense teams. He's not in Kobe's league and that's why nobody puts him there.
2. Carmelo and Iverson never made it past the 1st round of the playoffs. Who cares about winning 50 games? 2 superstars are supposed to challenge for a championship and they never even came close.
3. Pippen made all-star teams BECAUSE of the player Jordan (and to a lesser extent Charles Oakley) turned him into. He averaged 7 points a game as a rookie. It was the bullying of Oakley and Jordan (who often bullied teammates) that made Pippen and Grant suitable players. Everybody who followed those teams knows that. Pippen was known for folding like toilet tissue every year in the playoffs and getting his asswhooped. And yes, Pippen had ONE good year without Mike which included an All-Star MVP, but the very next season was almost disasterous for the Bulls without Jordan and they almost missed the playoffs and were under .500 before Jordan came back in March to propel the Bulls into the Eastern Conference Finals.
Don't forget 1.7 seconds with him punking out and don't forget Houston and Portland teams that he punked out on as well.
4. Jordan was a failure in Washington because he was 38 years old
Yeah, a 38 year old who's been retired for 3 years and smoking cigars, chillin' is gonna lead a Wizards team that has sucked for a gazillion years to a championship. Before Pippen, Jordan was an MVP, a scoring champion, set all kinds of records. The teams that he played against (Bird's Celtics/Isiah's Pistons) were just wayyyy better. If Jordan had ANY help other than Brad Sellers and John Paxson, he would've eventually won a championship. That's why he MOLDED Pippen into a good player. He wasn't one for the first 2 or 3 years he was in Chicago.
3. Pippen made all-star teams BECAUSE of the player Jordan (and to a lesser extent Charles Oakley) turned him into. He averaged 7 points a game as a rookie. It was the bullying of Oakley and Jordan (who often bullied teammates) that made Pippen and Grant suitable players. Everybody who followed those teams knows that. 1) Pippen was known for folding like toilet tissue every year in the playoffs and getting his asswhooped. 2) And yes, Pippen had ONE good year without Mike which included an All-Star MVP, but the very next season was almost disasterous for the Bulls without Jordan and they almost missed the playoffs and were under .500 before Jordan came back in March to propel the Bulls into the Eastern Conference Finals.
Don't forget 1.7 seconds with him punking out and don't forget Houston and Portland teams that he punked out on as well.
4. Jordan was a failure in Washington because he was 38 years old
3) Before Pippen, Jordan was an MVP, a scoring champion, set all kinds of records. The teams that he played against (Bird's Celtics/Isiah's Pistons) were just wayyyy better. If Jordan had ANY help other than Brad Sellers and John Paxson, he would've eventually won a championship. That's why he MOLDED Pippen into a good player. 4) He wasn't one for the first 2 or 3 years he was in Chicago.
1) Name those years. This is just a flat out lie. Scottie Pippen never folded in the playoffs in his Bulls career.
2) Actually, in 1995, the Bulls were 34-31 before Jordan came back and as far as 1 good season without Jordan.....Scottie Pippen was an All-Star AGAIN and averaging at the time 22.1 ppg, 8.2 rebs, 5.1 assts, 2.9 stls, and 1.2 blks without Jordan
The Bulls actually LOST their first game with Jordan back to the Pacers in OT (Jordan went 7-28 FG...smh. Ball hogging in his first game back lol).
They Bulls were also never in danger of NOT making the playoffs, in reality.
On the morning of March 19th, 1995 (Jordan's return date) The Bulls were in the 6th spot at 34-31. The Magic were 1st at 48-17, the Knicks were 2nd at 42-21, the Pacers were 3rd at 39-24, the Hornets were 4th at 39-25, the Cavs were 5th at 36-27, the Hawks were 7th at 32-32, and the Celtics were 8th at 25-39.
When Jordan came back, the Bulls only switched from 6th seed to 5th seed with the Cavs....it wasnt some miraculous turnaround
3) No he wasnt.
4) Scottie was just a rookie in his first year...what did you expect him to do?
In his 2nd year (14.4 pts, 6.1 rebs, 3.5 assts, 1.9 stls) and 3rd year (regular season: 16.5 pts, 6.7 rebs, 5.4 assts, 2.6 stls, and 1.2 blks....playoffs: 19.3 pts, 7.2 rebs, 5.5 assts, 2.1 stls, and 1.3 blks) he WAS a good player.
What you talking about breh?
1) Name those years. This is just a flat out lie. Scottie Pippen never folded in the playoffs in his Bulls career.
1990 Missed game 7 of the conference finals with a migraine.
1988, and 1989, was not mentally tough enough to withstand the constant physicality of the pistons in the playoffs.
2) Actually, in 1995, the Bulls were 34-31 before Jordan came back and as far as 1 good season without Jordan.....Scottie Pippen was an All-Star AGAIN and averaging at the time 22.1 ppg, 8.2 rebs, 5.1 assts, 2.9 stls, and 1.2 blks without Jordan
The bulls went 13-4 down the stretch with Jordan. They were in danger of being the 7th seed.
The Bulls actually LOST their first game with Jordan back to the Pacers in OT (Jordan went 7-28 FG...smh. Ball hogging in his first game back lol).
Rusty, get's a pass
They Bulls were also never in danger of NOT making the playoffs, in reality.
In reality they were 34-31 and in danger of missing the playoffs. That projects to roughly 43 wins. They would of been the 6th or 7th and lost in the first round.
On the morning of March 19th, 1995 (Jordan's return date) The Bulls were in the 6th spot at 34-31. The Magic were 1st at 48-17, the Knicks were 2nd at 42-21, the Pacers were 3rd at 39-24, the Hornets were 4th at 39-25, the Cavs were 5th at 36-27, the Hawks were 7th at 32-32, and the Celtics were 8th at 25-39.
When Jordan came back, the Bulls only switched from 6th seed to 5th seed with the Cavs....it wasnt some miraculous turnaround
13-4 with him back projects to well over 50 wins in an 82 game season putting them in the top 3.
3) No he wasnt.
4) Scottie was just a rookie in his first year...what did you expect him to do?
In his 2nd year (14.4 pts, 6.1 rebs, 3.5 assts, 1.9 stls) and 3rd year (regular season: 16.5 pts, 6.7 rebs, 5.4 assts, 2.6 stls, and 1.2 blks....playoffs: 19.3 pts, 7.2 rebs, 5.5 assts, 2.1 stls, and 1.3 blks) he WAS a good player.
What you talking about breh?
Scottie is a great player helped by no nikkas to blossom
Pippen throwin chairs on the court and ish...wait...I think he grabbed a chair, walked on the court then threw it on the sidelines. Something like that lol
