When Jay put Prodigy on that Summer Jam Screen what was the aftermath?

[blackslash]

Again......this discussion is irrelevant in 2013.....

because Albert Einstein > Magna Carter Holy Grail

Jay put Pee on that Summerjam screen in 2001 and it was funny for the moment...but why is Prodigy's album so much better than Jays in 2013?? I still listen to AE and threw Jays shyt in the bushes after 2 weeks, that forgettable ass album

its not...the 1000 people who listened to AEwill prefer it to MCHG

And most ppl bumpin MCHG aint even checkin for no prodigy

This discussion is entirely relevant in 2013

Cuz now Jay is still going double plat changing rules and how the hip hop market works

WHile prod is droppin albums that no one even notices and goes under the radar

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

It was no longer cool to fukk with mobb deep to many people after that.

 

[Billy Ocean]

It was no longer cool to fukk with mobb deep to many people after that.

Propaganda. Infamy still went Gold. Gold is what the Mobb's first 2 albums went. People stopped fukking with the Mobb because of the different climate in hip hop in the early 2000's and when most realized that they weren't putting out the quality music like they used to in the mid 90's. Jay ain't have shyt to do with it.

 

[CJ]

Also what does it say about fans in general when they "went apeshyt" for Michael Jackson and think Hov is god for bringing out Michael Jackson, yet clown a child for emulating Michael Jackson?

Exactly

 

[Wacky D]

"don't be the next contestant on that summerslam screen"

nobody remembers this thread?

this board is too new now.

 

[Wacky D]

No one even saw the pic for a few years, I want to say, after 2001....It was a minute before anyone saw it...Anyone denying how dynamic, how iconic. and how impactful this was, aren't being truthful with themselves, and are wrapping themselves in circles trying to discredit it's impact..we were on sohh getting updates from posters after the show and shyt, live reports...it was mayhem, chaotic, disorganized, but exciting....like living history...

nobody is denying its impact as a classic moment.

we're just denying the idea that jay ended prodigy/mobb deep.

It DEFINITELY affected the perception of Prodigy no don't, but not to this spectacular fashion that posters are making it out to be. It was more a combination of Jay's status at the time, him debuting Takeover at Summerjam (remember this was the FIRST performance of the song) plus the shock of the pictures, PLUS Prodigy's own falling off, which cannot he swept under the rug. People like to say Nas was falling off, but that dude was coming off TWO platinum albums in one year, I Am's first week outsold Vol.3's in 99 and was nominated for a Grammy. Prodigy was TRULY the "fell from top 10 to not even mentioned at all" rapper at this time period, the rumors of him getting his ass whooped, robbed, and extorted were bubbling as well. On top of that Nas turned around AFTER Ether and dissed the fukk outta him and added to the robbery rumors ("How many times Jungle had to bust his gun to get your weak chain back?") Prodigy would've had to come back with the MOTHER of ALL diss tracks to get him out from under that grave........ And he dropped Burn

I know you love nas, but can I make a suggestion?

instead of trying to rewrite history, wouldn't it be more beneficial to nas and yourself as a poster if you played up the whole comeback kid/underdog story?

people thought nas was done in '01 dog. otherwise, jay wouldn't have dared to go at him the way he did.

 

[nieman]

It was more of the anticipation of the pic then the actual pic. Like many have said, it was hyped up as a huge thing but after people actually saw the pic, they brushed it off as not a big deal. That ish didn't even get mentioned in the Rap Up for the year.

The true denouncing of Mobb Deep came with Infamy. They were trying to morph their style into something closer to the hip-hop climate of the time, P's decline in the writing, and all around bad music. Most people have already said this. AND for those saying that no one was online like that, this topic was heavily discussed on the "Old Forum". There was even this one poster that claimed to have close ties to Jay-Z and even posted up some lyrics that would be used at Summer Jam. Had Prodigy came sharp with the pen like the old Prodigy, there would've been nothing.

As for his getting beat up, robbed etc...all that ish was also happening in the 90's (Keith Murray, Trag/Nore)...people already knew. Besides, those dudes like 5'4 & 5'3. Who couldn't beat them?

 

[Wacky D]

Murda Muzik, the most recent Mobb Deep album at the time, was also their most commercially successfull

Prodigy had just released his solo debut to decent reviews and sales

If you looked closely, you could see Mobb Deep slipping a bit quality-wise. But they were still getting the benefit of the doubt until the next full-length. And commercially, they were as big as they had ever been.


After Jay dissed them and P didn't come back with anything remotely inspiring, THAT was the tipping point. The diss from Nas, sub-par album (Infamy), etc. were the finishing touches.

lets be real, murda muzik was poppin and all but not like their 1st 2 albums, regardless of the sales. keep it funky, murda muzik was like a 4 mic quality tape. now add to the fact that murda muzik was 2 years old by this time. that translates into 4 years in comparison to the way rap is now, especially considering that there was a changing of the guard in-between these years.

nobody was still arguing prodigy as a top-line spitta in the '00s unless you were some sort of diehard fan. mobb deep was a '90s thing.

HNIC was cool too but it was far from running chit. and I say this as someone who absolutely loved the singles from the cd.......and lets not act like infamy was a highly-anticipated release.

I agree with the last statement. the jay & nas disses were tipping points & finishing touches to something that was already on its way out the door. basically, they kicked dirt on something that was already dying. jay-z is a master of this. it backfired with nas, so instead of using rappers, he used objects from then on out. he did the same thing to jerseys and tried to do the same thing to timbs & autotune. but he was mad late with the timbs chit and failed with auto-tune, which in turn exposed his whole schtick to even the most oblivious eyes.

 

[Ziggiy]

nobody is denying its impact as a classic moment.

we're just denying the idea that jay ended prodigy/mobb deep.



I know you love nas, but can I make a suggestion?

instead of trying to rewrite history, wouldn't it be more beneficial to nas and yourself as a poster if you played up the whole comeback kid/underdog story?

people thought nas was done in '01 dog. otherwise, jay wouldn't have dared to go at him the way he did.

Where EXACTLY is the rewriting of history?

Nas released TWO platinum albums in one year, one of them going double platinum. FACT

I Am's first week outsold Vol.3's first week. FACT

I Am was critically acclaimed upon its release, receiving 4.5 Mics from The Source. FACT

I Am was Grammy nominated in 2000 for Best Rap Album. FACT


Nas was one of Rap's superstars in 99, We ALL know Nastradamus was a messy, uneven, ultimately underwhelming album, but it wasn't a career killer. The only rewriting of history was done by Jay-Z attempting brainwash the masses into believing that Nas taking his usual two years between albums fell within being "not mentioned at all". The whole under-dog thing is blown out of proportion from people surprised at Ether's viciousness contrasted with Nas's more laid back persona to "Nas was done". It betrays common sense to say that a rapper whose last TWO albums released within a year went platinum was "done".

 

[mobbinfms]

None of yall dudes claiming this corny Jr. High School stunt Jay pulled was super devastating have yet to answer why Pac dissing them, when he was much bigger than Jay was in 2001, didn't effect them. The basis of yall whole argument is that it hurt because Mobb was ALREADY in decline. That's my whole point. Jay shyt did very little to the Mobb. They were already in decline. And this argument that in 2001 the hip hop audience wasn't forgiving is bullshyt. This wasn't the mid 90's. The landscape of rap changed VERY significantly by 2001. Jay showing baby pics is something dudes woulda laughed at for a week and forgot about if the Mobb woulda came back with quality music, which they didn't.

This is the kind of thing that's impossible to quantify. You can't say it had zero impact, clearly it had some impact, but the impact was compounded by the way Mobb responded to it (P becoming ass on the mic, dropping a love song with 112 as their 2nd single, never addressing the robbery accusations, dropping an awful album, getting dissed by Nas, Hav never saying shyt about Jay IIRC). If they BOTH would have dropped a diss of Drop a Gem on Em quality and dropped another 4.5 mic album, and addressed the robbery accusations on the album, and then viciously dissed Nas, the summer jam thing could have been neutralized. Damn that's a lot of ifs.

 

[Wacky D]

Where EXACTLY is the rewriting of history?

Nas released TWO platinum albums in one year, one of them going double platinum. FACT

I Am's first week outsold Vol.3's first week. FACT

I Am was critically acclaimed upon its release, receiving 4.5 Mics from The Source. FACT

I Am was Grammy nominated in 2000 for Best Rap Album. FACT


Nas was one of Rap's superstars in 99, We ALL know Nastradamus was a messy, uneven, ultimately underwhelming album, but it wasn't a career killer. The only rewriting of history was done by Jay-Z attempting brainwash the masses into believing that Nas taking his usual two years between albums fell within being "not mentioned at all". The whole under-dog thing is blown out of proportion from people surprised at Ether's viciousness contrasted with Nas's more laid back persona to "Nas was done". It betrays common sense to say that a rapper whose last TWO albums released within a year went platinum was "done".

again, just like in a recent thread, when you base stuff off of sales & industry props, youre doing nothing but putting blinders over your eyes and making yourself oblivious to whats really going on.

albums like nastradamus were career-killers in the '90s. QBs finest was dope but went under the radar. his weed-carriers all outshined him on oochie wally. just about all his guest spots during that 2-year window(aside from qbs finest - which was slept on) were under-whelming. YES NAS SEEMED TO BE DWINDLING, and his buzz certainly was dwindling. and jay being the master opportunist that he is, decided to go str8 at nas head because he thought nas was on his last leg and this has been confirmed by multiple sources. otherwise, jay wouldn't have dared to diss nas. FACT FACT FACT.

as for "I am", I liked that album a lot and that was my peak as a nas fan, but it clearly wasn't a 4.5 mic quality album. and while it was popular for a minute, there were a lot of people who were disappointed in it. some were even disgusted.

I agree that jay tried to downplay nas catalog to the masses, but truth be told, there were lots of people who were already expressing those same sentiments about nas catalog a good 2 years before takeover, if you want to be really real. some of them post here and ironically are elite posters.

now don't get me wrong. nas wasn't in as bad as a place as prodigy in terms of falling off. plus nas is still nas regardless so he always gets the benefit of the doubt anyway BUT most people didn't expect nas to make a stillmatic at that point and certainly not an ether. nas droppin that napalm bomb was a legendary moment in itself.

 

[DaHNIC82]

This thread bring back memories. I remember that interview in the Source where Nas said he just wanted to chill, do music and not beef when asked about the Mobb/Jay beef which could potential build to a possible Jay/Nas. Shortly a month later Jay dropped this taking swipe at Nas figuring he was a p*ssy for those comments and thought he can take two birds out with one stone.

Nas KNEW he had respond. He couldn't do that "well he's too busy making money" "He has too many hits" response like most of these bytch rappers today they be on. When another rapper call you out, You HAD to answer

 

[mobbinfms]

I don't care how old I was, I never dressed or looked like this

Holy shyt! I've never seen this. Was this in P's book? Ashanti grabbed the wrong photo!

 

[Ziggiy]

This thread bring back memories. I remember that interview in the Source where Nas said he just wanted to chill, do music and not beef when asked about the Mobb/Jay beef which could potential build to a possible Jay/Nas. Shortly a month later Jay dropped this taking swipe at Nas figuring he was a p*ssy for those comments and thought he can take two birds out with one stone.

Nas KNEW he had respond. He couldn't do that "well he's too busy making money" "He has too many hits" response like most of these bytch rappers today they be on. When another rapper call you out, You HAD to answer

Nas had been throwing shots at Jay since It Was Written though. It was pretty much always bond to happen

 

[DaHNIC82]

Nas had been throwing shots at Jay since It Was Written though. It was pretty much always bond to happen

Right, But when Jay called him out by Name. Thats where it officially became official. Many people wouldn't think Nas and Jay were throwing subs like that. Espcially to casual fans