When Floyd Mayweather retires...

[Master Teacher]

At the time of his 3 prior KOs Wlad was not considered the king of the heavyweight boxing division.
There also has been a drought of dominant heavyweights in boxing.
The heavyweight division is just one young champ with power away from being a part of the general public's consciousness. People in this country only stopped caring about heavyweight boxing because it has been owned by foreigners for too long.
Wilder would be seen as the savior of boxing who brought dominance of the heavyweight division back to the US.
So I will repeat once again because you seem to not be grasping it: if Wilder were to stay undefeated (KOing people along the way) and unify the heavyweight title by dominating Wlad he would automatically become the biggest star in boxing because the US public has always preferred the heavyweight division as long as their has been US fighters at the highest levels fighting in that division.

Wilder could reign the heavyweight division his entire career, he still won't be Floyd's level, he's just not that type of guy

if Lennox Lewis could reach Tyson levels of popularity what the hell makes you think Wilder will

 

[Jello Biafra]

Wilder could reign the heavyweight division his entire career, he still won't be Floyd's level, he's just not that type of guy

if Lennox Lewis could reach Tyson levels of popularity what the hell makes you think Wilder will

Lennox Lewis is from Canada/UK/Jamaican depending on which country he feels like claiming at the time. Deontay Wilder is a US born Olympic medalist.
You Floyd Fanboys are ridiculous as fukk...in here arguing over a hypothetical because it involves someone possibly maybe somewhere in the future being as popular as Floyd.
And if you have ever seen video clips of Deontay talking he can be a bit of a douchebag just like Floyd which would make him immensely hate-able which would give him the same primary selling point as FLoyd...namely that most people pay to see him fight because they hate him and want to see him lose.

 

[Master Teacher]

Lennox Lewis is from Canada/UK/Jamaican depending on which country he feels like claiming at the time. Deontay Wilder is a US born Olympic medalist.
You Floyd Fanboys are ridiculous as fukk...in here arguing over a hypothetical because it involves someone possibly maybe somewhere in the future being as popular as Floyd.
And if you have ever seen video clips of Deontay talking he can be a bit of a douchebag just like Floyd which would make him immensely hate-able which would give him the same primary selling point as FLoyd...namely that most people pay to see him fight because they hate him and want to see him lose.

You casual fans are funny, Star power has nothing to do with wear you from

Lewis was just as popular as Evander Holyfield and Riddikk Bowe

and none of them were on Tyson's level either

Manny is a top draw and he's not an american

There's nothing Deontay wilder can do that will make him as big as Tyson or Floyd, he's just not that guy you're shooting for the stars

 

[krackdagawd]

Floyd stans are becoming the WOAT on this forum.

 

[Jello Biafra]

You casual fans are funny, Star power has nothing to do with wear you from

Lewis was just as popular as Evander Holyfield and Riddikk Bowe

and none of them were on Tyson's level either

Manny is a top draw and he's not an american

There's nothing Deontay wilder can do that will make him as big as Tyson or Floyd, he's just not that guy you're shooting for the stars

Lennox Lewis wasn't popular...the American fighters he was facing were popular. And once the Tyson's and Holyfield's of the world retired was when the heavyweight division began to lose its spot as the crown jewel of the sport and it just got worse when a bunch of Europeans began to emerge as the cream of the crop while the US was represented by dudes like Hasim Rachman and Tony Thompson.
The heavyweight division is a different animal when it comes to the general populace embracing it. US fans have never fully embraced a non-US heavyweight.
And it is the height of comedy to have some Floyd Mayweather dikkrider try to call me a casual fan.

 

[Black_Jesus]

I'm implying the top ten highest ppvs in a fight Tyson is the only heavyweight in that top that's a fact

Shane and Mayweather is the in the top ten for most ppvs

The tripple header card was Maidana, Maidana is not a mexican, and he was not little

Canelo's a little mexican now, he's the second biggest draw in the sport

It has nothing to do with the "STATE" of boxing, you are a casual fan, this post exposes you, no wonder you say all that dumb shyt you do

If Tyson was out right now he would do his NUMBERS and be huge

but Floyd would also do his numbers and still be HUGE, it would just two big stars in the sport at the same time

Stars are the draw, people will pay to see Floyd regardless, people would pay to see Tyson regardless, only way they could effect each others sales as if they fought the same night, which promoters would never do

Breh...Tyson was not the only draw in the heavyweight division... and he's not the only hw in the top 10.. Holyfield was doing huge numbers as well.. and @Jello Biafra I gotta disagree with you on the people they fought. nikkas like Lewis, Bowe, Holmes, Foreman etc were draws too.. not quite on Tyson's level, but still they had a fan base... and then you look at the og nikkas like Ali and Frazier having hundreds of millions of viewers watching their bout, it makes 2.4 million ppv a straight up joke.. Theres no coincidence that the rise of the smaller weights coincides with fall off of the heavyweight division

Roy Jones Jr is the perfect example... Do you think its a coincidence that it wasn't until he moved up to Heavyweight that he sold the most ppvs of his career?? Then as he dropped back down in weight his numbers declined??
The heavyweight boxing division is more prestigious than any other weight class

 

[RedBull]

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[Master Teacher]

Breh...Tyson was not the only draw in the heavyweight division... and he's not the only hw in the top 10.. Holyfield was doing huge numbers as well.. and @Jello Biafra I gotta disagree with you on the people they fought. nikkas like Lewis, Bowe, Holmes, Foreman etc were draws too.. not quite on Tyson's level, but still they had a fan base... and then you look at the og nikkas like Ali and Frazier having hundreds of millions of viewers watching their bout, it makes 2.4 million ppv a straight up joke.. Theres no coincidence that the rise of the smaller weights coincides with fall off of the heavyweight division

Roy Jones Jr is the perfect example... Do you think its a coincidence that it wasn't until he moved up to Heavyweight that he sold the most ppvs of his career?? Then as he dropped back down in weight his numbers declined??
The heavyweight boxing division is more prestigious than any other weight class

When did I say Tyson was the only draw?

I said when you look at the HIGHEST BUYS PPV, Tyson is the only one up there with Floyd, DLH, etc
and that is a FACT

Of course the other heavyweights were draws

guess what, Tito Trinidad was a draw, Ricky Hatton was a draw, Miguel Cotto still is a draw, Canelo is a draw, Manny is a draw

what are you talking about

They only people who taught boxing was decline were just talking nonsense they heard from ESPN talking heads who don't even follow the sport

its more lucrative than ever to be a pro boxer and you talking about the game is trouble, get the fukk outta here

shyt has nothing to do with weight class, star attractions will also draw

 

[Master Teacher]

Lennox Lewis wasn't popular...the American fighters he was facing were popular. And once the Tyson's and Holyfield's of the world retired was when the heavyweight division began to lose its spot as the crown jewel of the sport and it just got worse when a bunch of Europeans began to emerge as the cream of the crop while the US was represented by dudes like Hasim Rachman and Tony Thompson.
The heavyweight division is a different animal when it comes to the general populace embracing it. US fans have never fully embraced a non-US heavyweight.
And it is the height of comedy to have some Floyd Mayweather dikkrider try to call me a casual fan.[/QUOTE

Lennox Lewis was popular, he wasn't as popular, but he was popular your fukking talking non sense Evander Holyfield was not astronomically more popular than Lennox Lewis like Tyson was

Evander ain't got no PPV records, only when he fought Tyson same as Lewis, so what are YOU TALKING ABOUT

the heavyweight division fell off because of talent, boxing didn't fall off

your a casual fan because you think boxing fell off in the first place when it NEVER HAS

only casual fans believe this because they heard someone say is on ESPN

DLH and Trinidad is one of the highest grosses fights of all time, and it was 99 before TYSON LEWIS which is still one the highest grossing FIGHTS

DLH was a bigger star than any other heavyweight besides Tyson, the NUMBERS DON't LIE

 

[Black_Jesus]

When did I say Tyson was the only draw?

I said when you look at the HIGHEST BUYS PPV, Tyson is the only one up there with Floyd, DLH, etc
and that is a FACT

Of course the other heavyweights were draws

guess what, Tito Trinidad was a draw, Ricky Hatton was a draw, Miguel Cotto still is a draw, Canelo is a draw, Manny is a draw

what are you talking about

They only people who taught boxing was decline were just talking nonsense they heard from ESPN talking heads who don't even follow the sport

its more lucrative than ever to be a pro boxer and you talking about the game is trouble, get the fukk outta here

shyt has nothing to do with weight class, star attractions will also draw

Them smaller divisions filled a void when the heavyweight division fell the fukk off... When the HW division was popping in the 80 and 90s, they easily had a bigger draw than the guys at the smaller weights...its the same as now.. just look at any point in history where the HW division is popping, look whats going on with the smaller weights in the ppv/viewer/draw department.. heavyweights always outshine the smaller weights.. when the HW division is in a slump then the smallerweights start to do big numbers

You said nobody else was putting up numbers like Tyson which is simply false, because Holyfield/Buster Douglass pulled in over a million ppv buys and Holyfield/Foreman pulled in 1.4 million... All the rest of the nikkas you naming that were draws at the smaller weights were draws while the HW division was/is in a slump.. and thats my point

 

[Black_Jesus]

DLH was a bigger star than any other heavyweight besides Tyson, the NUMBERS DON't LIE

Are you stupid??How dare you come in here and call anyone a casual, saying some stupid clown ass shyt like this??

 

[Master Teacher]

Them smaller divisions filled a void when the heavyweight division fell the fukk off... When the HW division was popping in the 80 and 90s, they easily had a bigger draw than the guys at the smaller weights...its the same as now.. just look at any point in history where the HW division is popping, look whats going on with the smaller weights in the ppv/viewer/draw department.. heavyweights always outshine the smaller weights.. when the HW division is in a slump then the smallerweights start to do big numbers

You said nobody else was putting up numbers like Tyson which is simply false, because Holyfield/Buster Douglass pulled in over a million ppv buys and Holyfield/Foreman pulled in 1.4 million... All the rest of the nikkas you naming that were draws at the smaller weights were draws while the HW division was/is in a slump.. and thats my point

LISTEN YOU fukkING RETARD

Okay, Mayweather wasn't around during Holyfield/Buster, so why didn't they do more than 1 one million

when him and Shane did 1.4 million, when boxing is suppose to be dead

ANSWER THAT

Stars make the money in boxing not weight divisions your fukking moron

if Mike Tyson was around now in his prime he would his huge numbers, but so would mayweather

they don't effect each other

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[Master Teacher]

Are you stupid??How dare you come in here and call anyone a casual, saying some stupid clown ass shyt like this??

What heavyweight did higher ppv numbers than de la hoya you cant bring up ali because he isnt in the ppv era

Dlh is bigger was bigger than any of those heavyweights in the 90s

 

[Black_Jesus]

What heavyweight did higher ppv numbers than de la hoya you cant bring up ali because he isnt in the ppv era

Dlh is bigger was bigger than any of those heavyweights in the 90s

"STFU"
I can bring ALI up because you made the statement that ODLH was bigger than any HW not named Tyson. Now dont backtrack
There were more people watching Ali fight Frazier worldwide than there were people watching the moonlanding..................but DLH was bigger than any HW

 

[Master Teacher]

"STFU"
I can bring ALI up because you made the statement that ODLH was bigger than any HW not named Tyson. Now dont backtrack
There were more people watching Ali fight Frazier worldwide than there were people watching the moonlanding..................but DLH was bigger than any HW

We were talking about 90s breh, when the heavyweights still mattered, DLH was still the second biggest star in boxing behind Tyson

there were not WW superstars fighting in the Ali era, also Ali fought on Free TV