when did kobe fall out the discussion to be better then jordan
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He was around 18ppg pre-allstar game. Look it up on basketball reference. After the all-star game he hit a slump and his numbers dropped.
like i always say, you dont just be decent or above average and you're top 5 all time in scoring.
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whats wrong with what he said. Jordan scored 60+ and lost.
I probably had it backwards. Either way doesn't change my overall point which is that the media had no problem hyping Kobe up.
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Mgay...we called this nigh I knew that back in the day because of his initials. We were 8. That was considered clever and funny then
Yea, I know what your saying but it all depends on who's the leader of the team and how dominant their teammate is at the moment, instead of the all time lists.
Howard is arguable top 2 center RIGHT NOW.
Nash is easily top 5 pg right now.
Pau is a still a top ten center with top 5 talent.
Kobe right now needs them to win a lot more than Lebron needs Wade despite Wades ranking or Bosh. Their playoff run is an example of that.
Lebron can carry his team single handidly. Lebron contributes more to his team winning than Wade bottom line. Lebron is "the guy" now and we all know it. The Heat is his team.
I don't think Kobe will be "the guy" on the Lakers if they make a title run, but who knows....we will see. Still, Kobe thinks the Lakers are "his team"
Thats the type of attitude that will cost LA a title next year.....
History has proven Kobe needs a dominant Center to carry him. Now he has one and a dominant pg along with it.
Jordan never had a Dominant Center or PG on his side.
Yea. He had a dominant forward instead. A guy who gets treated like he's invisible in these sort of discussions.
We can argue about this shyt all night. I rather go eat my hot wings & watch Gossip Girl
Have a good night fellas.
What if you shoot the ball more than anyone in NBA history?
Lakerman0834
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well... you gotta hit the shots to get the points dont you?
i'll let you dumbshyts try to take away from a guys greatness. i'm not doing it. and i'm not just saying this becuz i'm a Laker fan. but that shyt goes for LeBron too. i think one day that nikka will be considered better than Jordan once fools take down that curtain of nostalgia.
if you're gonna bash someone, bash the living fukk outta Harden for being shook in the Finals. bash DWade for crying tot he ref while Rondo takes the ball the other way for a layup.
exactly...^^^Yea. He had a dominant forward instead. A guy who gets treated like he's invisible in these sort of discussions.
We can argue about this shyt all night. I rather go eat my hot wings & watch Gossip Girl
and to those who dont believe the above posters. i dont want to see an "I aint reading all of that " . thats a cop out and an excuse. read it all. so you will finally have an actual reality check about Jordan's bulls.
a dominant point forward at that. he had the best 3pt shooter by percentage of all time on his team during some of those runs in kerr. he had one of the best bigman /multi position defenders/ rebounders ever in dennis rodman for some of those ships as well.
LOL at people not even grown enough to remember always trying to tell somebody who saw it with their own eyes how great jordan was and how his team was trash but yet he won titles anyway.
kerr -He also retired as the league's all-time leader in three-point shooting percentage for a season (.524 in 1994-95) and career
(.454).
Pippen - Pippen without Jordan (199395)
Michael Jordan retired before the 1993-94 season, and in his absence Pippen emerged from Jordan's shadow. That year, he earned All-Star Game MVP honors and led the Bulls in scoring, assists, and blocks, and the league in steals, averaging 22.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals, and 0.8 blocks per game, while shooting 49.1% from the field and a career-best 32% from the 3-point line. For his efforts, he earned the first of three straight All-NBA First Team selections, and he finished third in MVP voting. The Bulls finished the season with 55 wins, only two fewer than the year before(when Jordan was on the team).
bu buu buut pippen wasnt all that.
Dennis Rodman -Under coach Phil Jackson, he averaged 5.5 points and 14.9 rebounds per game, winning yet another rebounding title, and was part of the great Bulls team that won 72 of 82 regular season games, an all-time NBA record
Although struggling with calf problems early in the season, Rodman grabbed 20 or more rebounds 11 times and had his first triple-double against the Philadelphia 76ers on January 16, 1996 scoring 10 points and adding 21 rebounds and 10 assists; by playing his trademark tough defense, he joined Jordan and Pippen in the All-NBA Defense First Team.
In the 1996 NBA Playoffs, Rodman scored 7.5 points and grabbed 13.7 rebounds per game and had a large part in the six-game victory against the Seattle SuperSonics in the 1996 NBA Finals: in Game Two at home in the Bulls' United Center, he grabbed 20 rebounds, among them a record-tying 11 offensive boards, and in Game Six, again at the United Center, the power forward secured 19 rebounds and again 11 offensive boards, scored five points in a decisive 122 Bulls run, unnerved opposing power forward Shawn Kemp and caused Seattle coach George Karl to say: "As you evaluate the series, Dennis Rodman won two basketball games. We controlled Dennis Rodman for four games. But Game 2 and tonight, he was the reason they were successful."[30] His two games with 11 offensive rebounds each tied the NBA Finals record of Elvin Hayes.
buu buuut dennis was old and he wasnt all that.
Kukoc - Kukoč played for Jugoplastika Split and won the Euroleague with the team three years in a row. Afterwards he played for Benetton Treviso, winning the title of Player of the Year three times. He won the Italian Championship in 1992 and Italian Cup in 1993, and played in the European Champions' Cup final in 1993. He was nicknamed "the white Magic", "the spider from Split", "the Pink Panther", "the waiter", and "the Croatian Sensation".[1] He was also on teams that won the FIBA World Junior Championship (1987 for Yugoslavia), two Olympic silver medals (1988 for Yugoslavia and 1992 for Croatia), and the FIBA World Championship (1990 for Yugoslavia), in which he was selected the tournament MVP.
The 6'11" (2.11 m) Kukoč came off the bench in 199394 behind small forward Scottie Pippen and power forward Horace Grant, though Kukoč could play shooting guard and center as well. Kukoč put up a solid rookie campaign, averaging double-digit scoring and earning a berth on the All-Rookie Second Team.
After Grant left in the offseason, Kukoč moved into the starting lineup and finished the 199495 season second on the Bulls in scoring, rebounds and assists behind Pippen.
In the 199596 season, Michael Jordan had returned, and the Bulls had acquired an exceptional rebounder, Dennis Rodman, in the offseason. With Pippen still at small forward, coach Phil Jackson saw it best to have Kukoč continue to be a bench player. Kukoč was third on the team in scoring (behind Jordan and Pippen) and was rewarded for his efforts with the NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award. He also assisted the Bulls to a 25-game turnaround and the best record in league history at 7210, as well as the fourth championship in team history. Kukoč is currently the last player to win the NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award and the NBA title in the same year.
In 1997 and 1998, Kukoč again came off the bench as sixth man as the Bulls won their fifth and sixth NBA titles. Once again, he was the team's third-leading scorer.
In early 1999, the team was broken up, and Kukoč was one of the only players from their championship years that the Bulls retained. In the lockout-shortened 1998-99 season, he led the team in scoring, rebounding, and assists.
ladies and gentlemen, there's a theme here.
all the players i named WERE MONSTERS on their own. and were SPECIALISTS at what they did best. when i say specialist they won awards for things they did best and/or hold records for what they did best.
So saying MJ didnt play with monsters is a Flat out LIE and yall need to
like i said earlier, unlike a lot of yall. i'm grown enough to remember. i was there. i saw those bulls teams, i saw mj scoring like crazy and losing like crazy without pip and ho grant. i saw what happened once those two grew up and once the pistons got old. thats when he won his first title and went on the first 3 peat run.
When you have guys proving they are monsters before they join the team rodman, kukoc.
then showing they are monsters after they join jordan, kerr, rodman, kukoc, dennis.
then showing after Jordan takes a breather or once the team gets broken up for good. that they are still monsters (pippen, kukoc). you have to be honest and admit, MJ isnt better then kobe because MJ had lesser talent on his team. kobe has lesser talent. kobe had one dream team player on his team in his first 3 peat. the rest of those guys dont have any records or awards. non.
the last 2 peat was with gasol. gasol is very very good. but he aint as good as pippen overall. close but not there.
So that means kobe won with less talent then MJ, and did so twice. in an era where shooting guards and SF's were he's size or taller, as athletic or more so.and they could all score at a high rate. not some of them. but all of them. so again KOBE has proved he can win no matter if his personal man guarding him is just as physically talented as him or not. doesnt matter. vs zone defense. doesnt matter. without a bunch of hall of famers. doesnt matter.
above is the real bulls team. so the next time yall wanna talk about who had more talent dont even speak. quote this thread.
and lets discuss Jordan before he had the monsters on his team playing and peak levels.
Jordan before pippen and Ho grant were ready -
Jordan's second season was cut short by a broken foot which caused him to miss 64 games.[2] Despite Jordan's injury and a 3052 record,[21] the Bulls made the playoffs. Jordan recovered in time to participate in the playoffs and performed well upon his return. Against a 198586 Boston Celtics team that is often considered one of the greatest in NBA history,[22] Jordan set the still-unbroken record for points in a playoff game with 63 in Game 2.[23] The Celtics, however, managed to sweep the series.[20]
Jordan had recovered completely by the 198687 season, and had one of the most prolific scoring seasons in NBA history. He became the only player other than Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season, averaging a league high 37.1 points on 48.2% shooting.[12] In addition, Jordan demonstrated his defensive prowess, as he became the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. Despite Jordan's success, Magic Johnson won the league's Most Valuable Player Award. The Bulls reached 40 wins,[21] and advanced to the playoffs for the third consecutive year. However, they were again swept by the Celtics
^^thats a peak performance jordan, starting on the bulls as the main goto guy.
kobe at peak performance as the main goto guy didnt happen until shaq left. he had kwame brown, luke walton, brian cook as teammates, smush parker as his starting pg. walton is barely in the league, brown is barely in the nba, cook may or may not be in the nba, smush is playing street ball somewhere.
thats how bad that team was. YET. they almost shocked the world and beat the 2nd best team in the western conf in the playoffs. yet people talk about that like its a bad thing that kobe didnt beat the suns that year. uhhh shame on the suns for being that much better then the lakers and not sweeping us to begin with.
but you still have fools using that as reasons to say MJ is better then kobe. but forgetting mj got swept twice by the celtics in nba's peak scoring moments as the main goto guy. compare apples to apples people.
Jordan FAILED as a baseball and he's a c00n.
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Lol these kobe stans mad as fukk
not me. i enjoy watchign you cats go back and forth. i'm that nikka that used to argue about this kinda stuff but somehow i found some peace.
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Getting swept by the 86 Champion celtics and 87 nba finals runner up celtics>>>>>Losing to the Phoenix Suns who never made a finals
Btw Jordan was 22-23 years old on terrible bulls teams losing to a Celtics team that went to 2 finals already kobe was a 28 year old 3 time champ losing to phoenix suns
Nobody wants to hear those corny excuses of how "kobe had to play with smush parker" The lakers were up 3-1,those same teammates had the lakers up 3-1 on a 2 seed.Then kobe Quit in game 7 and they lost by 32
Btw Jordan was 22-23 years old on terrible bulls teams losing to a Celtics team that went to 2 finals already kobe was a 28 year old 3 time champ losing to phoenix suns
Nobody wants to hear those corny excuses of how "kobe had to play with smush parker" The lakers were up 3-1,those same teammates had the lakers up 3-1 on a 2 seed.Then kobe Quit in game 7 and they lost by 32