When are yall faggys gonna give Roy Jones Joonyah his respect tho?

[I AM WE ARE]

boxing is the art of not getting hit, and roy jones did that to the full hilt of what a so-called boxer is.
way before he damaged his physiology.

in combat the first thing they teach is the best defense is don't even be there to get hit.
now, would i put roy in the pocket and tell him to fight like that,...
man, hell no.....
roy was never no in the pocket take damage from every possible angle style boxer like that.
he was not ever going to fight like joe louis, jack johnson.

plus, people forget,..his whole style was based on illegal cock fighting.
if you ever seen that style of illegal gambing.
the best cock fighters are the ones who never get pecked/clawed.
roy was built from that style of fighting.
roy was not a kangaroo style fighter...who stayed right in front of you on a test of testerone/prowess.



art barr

what fight you think did the most damage to him? cause he still has speed in his last fight he showed a lil power them reflexes though damnit roy

 

[Master Teacher]

bhop was at his boxing peak, when he lost to jones.
as he never faced anyone as gifted as jones.
after jones, and b hop lost,....
do we have to cite b hop's record.
before jones,..as the only loss he had.
was when he was out of a weight class that matched his physiology.
do, we have to cite how bhop started his career.
than reshifted and to what division he reshifted to.

after jones,..he never faced anyone better than jones.
so, how can i say he was at his boxing peak.
when it was never tested by a higher quality opponent than jones.
a jones he obsessed over and used to ramp up.
by investing in his loss to jones.
your argument would hold weight if jones never defeated bhop.
yet, jones defeated bhop by outboxing him, too.




hopkins is not going down in history as better than jones.
jones was voted the best boxer of the nineties.
when, hopkins was at his skill prowess and lost to jones.
jones, also won a hw title and dropped down.
bhop, stayed platooned in the ww division till later on his natural body physiology.
called for him to move up in weight.
he did not go up in weight like jones..
where jones was seeking to make history.

no way a guy who stayed platooned is going to go down as better than jones.
given the fact, jones chased history.
where factually he succumbed to what facts and history say you will not be able to do.
which is go down in that extreme in weight.
then, beat an of skilled boxer who is solidified in weight/body physiology.
then, never damaged their physiology.

You have no clue what you are talking about

Bernard grew as a fighter, he was better in 2000's than he was in the 90's, he's a late bloomer

Hopkins did not make history until the 2000's, Hopkins unified the entire Middleweight Division, he was the Undisputed Champion, Roy JOnes was never undisputed at any weight class, Hopkins stayed in the middleweight division the majority of his career

Hopkins lost his first fight period, he already had a L before jones what are you talking about

we never know who wouldve won at their peaks because they didn't fight because of arguement over split

Hopkins beat Jones too, you can't use age as an excuse because hopkins is old as fukk

so what does that mean, nothing

If you knew anything about boxing you will know hopkins wasn't has good in the 90's as he was in the 2000's just keep it moving

you keep talking history, Hopkins is still making history, just think about it, Floyd Mayweather who is the closest one who can last as long as hopkins, would have to fight 12 more years to match B Hop's record

Hopkins is a better boxer than Roy he's proven that

Roy Jones got KO'd by tarver fair and square, after that his chin was gone and he should've retired

Hopkins has never been KO'd and he's still fighting at 50

Hopkins avenged his lost to roy the match was shytty, but still

Roy got his ass whipped by Calzage, b hop got robbed after making him look foolish

Roy's best win is against James Tony at Super Middleweight

Roy couldn't Ko Trinidad even after making him come up to 170

Hopkins drop Trinidad and they stopped the fight in Trinidad's prime

you don't know shyt about boxing man

Roy JOnes been KO'd to oblivion by bums, Hopkins at the age of 50 is about to fight a young challenegr for the belt

it's not debatable

 

[Art Barr]

what fight you think did the most damage to him? cause he still has speed in his last fight he showed a lil power them reflexes though damnit roy

just the action of trying to perform what he did provided the damage.
then, on top of that.
he had to deal with:

being stalked and he was never a fighter you could effectively stalk.
he got knocked out and that is always the hardest thing for any fighter to rebound from, ever.
then he was knocked out multiple times and he had to deal with that.
plus, he was knocked out.
when, his physiology was damaged, and that required more work to come back from.
as you have to get resolidified at that weight at an older age.
which may never actually happen.
plus, you have to come back from multiple ko's.

so, i think it was the host of events that took place.

from time to time, watching him fight after that.
he has shown flashes of what he was.
yet, once he went down.....
he was never going to be the same.




art barr

 

[Reggie]

If Roy would have retired after he beat Ruiz then he probably would have had an argument as to being the best ever. Like others have said though dropping off the weight affected him badly when it came time to fight Tarver and he was never the same again. I always wonder what would have happened had he stayed at heavyweight and fought someone like Holyfield which would have been another perfect fight for him at that point in their career's.

 

[Art Barr]

You have no clue what you are talking about

Bernard grew as a fighter, he was better in 2000's than he was in the 90's, he's a late bloomer

how was he better and he never fought a guy better than the person who beat him and that was jones.
bhop had a chip on his shoulder from the loss to jones his entire career.
to the point it was apparent from bhop relentless campaign to refight jones.
that he knows his litmus test for how good he was tied with jones.
how come bhop portrays this.
yet, you trying to make it like this never existed.
if you knew anything about boxing.
you would know bhop always pr'd he was obsessive about re-fighting jones.
he was obsessive about fighting jones, because he was never as skilled as the jones who bested him.
he wanted to prove to himself, corner, draw/boxing world he was better.
yet, when he was there in a championship match.
failed to win,...

Hopkins did not make history until the 2000's, Hopkins unified the entire Middleweight Division, he was the Undisputed Champion, Roy JOnes was never undisputed at any weight class, Hopkins stayed in the middleweight division the majority of his career

Hopkins lost his first fight period, he already had a L before jones what are you talking about

evidence, you skimmed and lack reading comprehension.
i noted and challenged you in question form about bhop's career and his earlier loss.
that is why i asked you about why did bhop change weight classes.

i can requote what you skimmed if you like.
i know you not smart enough to read it.
so, i am not going to waste my time.
yet, if you wanna press issue,..i can easily requote and bold what i said.

we never know who wouldve won at their peaks because they didn't fight because of arguement over split

Hopkins beat Jones too, you can't use age as an excuse because hopkins is old as fukk

hopkins never fought anyone on jones level after jones.
when, hopkins finally got his end of the road bout with jones.
it was way after the fact...
their bout was not even a huge draw because both fighters were well and away past their highest skill level.

you are the same person who would have thought young lennox lewis could have beaten early mike tyson.

so what does that mean, nothing

If you knew anything about boxing you will know hopkins wasn't has good in the 90's as he was in the 2000's just keep it moving

hopkins stayed platooned in a division with no real comp.
plus, he was not his own individualistic draw.
so, how was he better and he never faced comp on the level of jones.
after the loss to jones all through the 2000's.
plus, dlh was damaged goods by the time they fought.
as well as trinidad, who was exposed when they fought as well.
trinidad was done as a draw, way before hopkins.
trinidad was in wars leading up to any and every damn fight he had.
as trinidad's main draw was he could suffer a knockdown and comeback to win said fight by ko.
or some harsh brutal punching down points to win.
on top, of being a damn good cheater.
when injured like he did to beat vargas.

you keep talking history, Hopkins is still making history, just think about it, Floyd Mayweather who is the closest one who can last as long as hopkins, would have to fight 12 more years to match B Hop's record

please don't mention pbf in roy's distinction.
pbf being p4p, is just symantics, and trickle down effects from dlh draw.
then, later marketing of pbf to capitalize on the transfer of dlh's draw to pbf.
pbf, is nowhere near the fighter roy was at height.

Hopkins is a better boxer than Roy he's proven that

Roy Jones got KO'd by tarver fair and square, after that his chin was gone and he should've retired

Hopkins has never been KO'd and he's still fighting at 50

Hopkins avenged his lost to roy the match was shytty, but still

Roy got his ass whipped by Calzage, b hop got robbed after making him look foolish

Roy's best win is against James Tony at Super Middleweight

Roy couldn't Ko Trinidad even after making him come up to 170

Hopkins drop Trinidad and they stopped the fight in Trinidad's prime

you don't know shyt about boxing man

Roy JOnes been KO'd to oblivion by bums, Hopkins at the age of 50 is about to fight a young challenegr for the belt

it's not debatable

dawg,...roy's best wins are way longer and untainted.
incomparison to whom bhop made his name later on against.\
bhop was part of the last drawing days of boxing outside of dlh.
were all from dlh, when dlh was already damaged goods.
from improper style of fighting/training with the mayweathers.
who pulled a successful coup of dlh's draw and permeation.
throught successful insider trading, and conflict of interest.

no one b hop beat later on in the 2000's.
was an untainted boxer who did not have a blueprint to beating them.
with jones,..jones had to damage himself, first.
to make him susceptible to losing.
to where he had a blueprint designed on beating him.

bhop, suffered loses, albeit controversial, to younger talent.
who were nowhere near as skilled as jones.
when, he lost to jones.

so please stop trying to make it like bhop was that much better.
he had comp, but that comp was all tainted.
or, there existed a blueprint on how to beat said boxer.
or said boxer was already questionable as a talented boxer.

bhop never created a dominant blueprint on how to beat these top drawing boxers.
yet, jones created a blueprint no one else can mimick.
on how to beat the people that roy beat.

that is why roy is better,..you talking like unaffected roy wasnt' creating how to outclass top flight talent.
b hop on all his great wins,....in the 2000's was all about variables of wear.

it was not about unbridled full application of skill/top peak condition.

roy was outclassing people in their peak condition as fighters.
that is what you don't understand.

even, in talks of ipman versus his disciplees.
ip man, always says father time is the person who will best me.
as ip man even says,...his disciples who have studied him.
as he gets older can easily best him because of wear, and overly studying him as a principle in age.

same as bhop,...bhop over the course studied and was a better student of the game.
when, variables of wear existed against his oppponent.
yet, when, his opponent was equally as youthful and vigorous.
he was lost to the greatest fighter of that entire decade.

you trying to argue a guy who lost to said boxer is better.
when, at their height of skill bhop lost to roy.


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

If Roy would have retired after he beat Ruiz then he probably would have had an argument as to being the best ever. Like others have said though dropping off the weight affected him badly when it came time to fight Tarver and he was never the same again. I always wonder what would have happened had he stayed at heavyweight and fought someone like Holyfield which would have been another perfect fight for him at that point in their career's.

he should have stayed at hw, and fought.
yet, roy had an agenda as far back as him being an amateur.
so, for him to chase.
then, successfully go further in weight classes and win the one weight class.
which is the hardest to successful move up to in weight.
then, actually win and outclass that boxer was incredible.

as real talk,...
if ruiz puts a good paw on roy.
roy is outta there.
yet, roy never let that paw land on him.
in a division where you are going to get hit.
which is why i don't buy the whole roy had no chin.
he had a chin, as he shrugged off ruiz's blows.
when, ruiz was a puncher, and had a puncher's chance.

only thing, roy did that was wrong, was trying to set history.
yet, i can't fault him for that.
given what he was trying to do and the fact, we will NEVER EVER SEE A BOXER THAT GOOD.
go through, and win the heavyweight title.
after completely owning every competitor, he faced before that.


art barr

 

[Master Teacher]

how was he better and he never fought a guy better than the person who beat him and that was jones.
bhop had a chip on his shoulder from the loss to jones his entire career.
to the point it was apparent from bhop relentless campaign to refight jones.
that he knows his litmus test for how good he was tied with jones.
how come bhop portrays this.
yet, you trying to make it like this never existed.
if you knew anything about boxing.
you would know bhop always pr'd he was obsessive about re-fighting jones.
he was obsessive about fighting jones, because he was never as skilled as the jones who bested him.
he wanted to prove to himself, corner, draw/boxing world he was better.
yet, when he was there in a championship match.
failed to win,...




evidence, you skimmed and lack reading comprehension.
i noted and challenged you in question form about bhop's career and his earlier loss.
that is why i asked you about why did bhop change weight classes.

i can requote what you skimmed if you like.
i know you not smart enough to read it.
so, i am not going to waste my time.
yet, if you wanna press issue,..i can easily requote and bold what i said.



hopkins never fought anyone on jones level after jones.
when, hopkins finally got his end of the road bout with jones.
it was way after the fact...
their bout was not even a huge draw because both fighters were well and away past their highest skill level.

you are the same person who would have thought young lennox lewis could have beaten early mike tyson.



hopkins stayed platooned in a division with no real comp.
plus, he was not his own individualistic draw.
so, how was he better and he never faced comp on the level of jones.
after the loss to jones all through the 2000's.
plus, dlh was damaged goods by the time they fought.
as well as trinidad, who was exposed when they fought as well.
trinidad was done as a draw, way before hopkins.
trinidad was in wars leading up to any and every damn fight he had.
as trinidad's main draw was he could suffer a knockdown and comeback to win said fight by ko.
or some harsh brutal punching down points to win.
on top, of being a damn good cheater.
when injured like he did to beat vargas.




please don't mention pbf in roy's distinction.
pbf being p4p, is just symantics, and trickle down effects from dlh draw.
then, later marketing of pbf to capitalize on the transfer of dlh's draw to pbf.
pbf, is nowhere near the fighter roy was at height.






dawg,...roy's best wins are way longer and untainted.
incomparison to whom bhop made his name later on against.\
bhop was part of the last drawing days of boxing outside of dlh.
were all from dlh, when dlh was already damaged goods.
from improper style of fighting/training with the mayweathers.
who pulled a successful coup of dlh's draw and permeation.
throught successful insider trading, and conflict of interest.

no one b hop beat later on in the 2000's.
was an untainted boxer who did not have a blueprint to beating them.
with jones,..jones had to damage himself, first.
to make him susceptible to losing.
to where he had a blueprint designed on beating him.

bhop, suffered loses, albeit controversial, to younger talent.
who were nowhere near as skilled as jones.
when, he lost to jones.

so please stop trying to make it like bhop was that much better.
he had comp, but that comp was all tainted.
or, there existed a blueprint on how to beat said boxer.
or said boxer was already questionable as a talented boxer.

bhop never created a dominant blueprint on how to beat these top drawing boxers.
yet, jones created a blueprint no one else can mimick.
on how to beat the people that roy beat.

that is why roy is better,..you talking like unaffected roy wasnt' creating how to outclass top flight talent.
b hop on all his great wins,....in the 2000's was all about variables of wear.

it was not about unbridled full application of skill/top peak condition.

roy was outclassing people in their peak condition as fighters.
that is what you don't understand.

even, in talks of ipman versus his disciplees.
ip man, always says father time is the person who will best me.
as ip man even says,...his disciples who have studied him.
as he gets older can easily best him because of wear, and overly studying him as a principle in age.

same as bhop,...bhop over the course studied and was a better student of the game.
when, variables of wear existed against his oppponent.
yet, when, his opponent was equally as youthful and vigorous.
he was lost to the greatest fighter of that entire decade.

you trying to argue a guy who lost to said boxer is better.
when, at their height of skill bhop lost to roy.


art barr

Stop talking man I'm not reading non of that bullshyt, you can't even explain yourself in a few sentences

what do you mean why B Hop change weight classes, what does that have to do with anything

in the first fight they were middleweights him and roy

B hop had only been boxing 5 years when he first fought Roy, he started late when he was in prison, when Roy was groomed to be a champion

he was nowhere near his peak, stop talking with your fraud ass

Bernard Hopkins is older than Roy, so being old is not an excuse for roy losing to hopkins

Bernard Hopkins has a better resume than Roy, that's not up for debate man

This nikka unifying the Light heavyweight titles at the age of 50 man, you are fukking moron

Tarver put Jones to slept, Hopkins beat tarver easy

Jones was weight fatigued in the first Tarver fight, which he won not the second where he got KO'd, that punch tarver landed would've KO'd roy at any point in his career, shyt had nothing to do with Jones' weight affecting his body

You don't know shyt about this sport

Roy Jones was the shyt, but he's not on Hopkins level in the grand scheme of things

Roy Jones got KO'd by bums, straight bums man, no excuse

All you got is a bunch of excuses man

Hopkins 50 years old Super WBA light heavyweight champion , ain't no excuses

this nikka fought Chad Dawson and won man, he ended pavlik career, young guys

jones ain't got none of that shyt on his resume

 

[klutch2381]

Man, when Roy got brutally KO'ed by Tarver in the second fight I was in legit mourning for 2-3 days. Hell, Tarver is from Orlando like me and we grew up in the same gym (Frontline Outreach), but Roy was my guy.

The combo he threw on Pazienza.

The "hookercut" on Griffin in the second fight.

Ending up behind Richard Hall and socking the shyt outta him on some Matrix shyt.

The body shot heard 'round the world on Virgil Hill.

"60-40 I'll kick your ass."

Riding the world of David Telesco.

Triple and quadruple left hooks.

Playing a basketball game and fighting in the same day.

That's my fighter from FL.

On another note, the most hurt I've ever seen a boxing fan is this Puerto Rican dude I worked with when Cotto got plastered against Magarito. Dude was legit devastated.

 

[Art Barr]

Stop talking man I'm not reading non of that bullshyt, you can't even explain yourself in a few sentences

don't get mad, cause you have issues with reading.
ol still have issues about reading since grade school face ass nikka.
that same inability to read.
is indicative of why you don't know and can't showcase much in any discussion.

what do you mean why B Hop change weight classes, what does that have to do with anything

it has a lot to do with it,..as originally as a pro.
bhop lost fighting at his natural weight in his first fight.
he took a year and a half plus layoff, to go down in weight after losing.
then, he still lost to roy eventually.
the same roy who dominated divisions as early as the olympic to pro's.
now granted, bhop was a late start.
yet, i am not going to disallow everything roy did that was the best of that time.
how is bhop better...
when, earlier in his career.
he was losing and had to completely retool and then, go down in weight to compete.
when, roy dominated from amateurs to as a pro.
plus, dominated bhop in boxing.

in the first fight they were middleweights him and roy

B hop had only been boxing 5 years when he first fought Roy, he started late when he was in prison, when Roy was groomed to be a champion

he was nowhere near his peak, stop talking with your fraud ass

here you go discrediting bhop then, trying to build him up for the sake of arguement.
you talking about roy being groomed as a champion.
then, downplay what he does.
then, try to make it like bhop was only fighting a certain length of time.
which is it,......

Bernard Hopkins is older than Roy, so being old is not an excuse for roy losing to hopkins

Bernard Hopkins has a better resume than Roy, that's not up for debate man

This nikka unifying the Light heavyweight titles at the age of 50 man, you are fukking moron

Tarver put Jones to slept, Hopkins beat tarver easy

tarver suffered from the same weight depletion that roy had from the rocky and hw situation.
so, what are you saying...
lemme answer that,..nuffin like usual.

Jones was weight fatigued in the first Tarver fight, which he won not the second where he got KO'd, that punch tarver landed would've KO'd roy at any point in his career, shyt had nothing to do with Jones' weight affecting his body

You don't know shyt about this sport

Roy Jones was the shyt, but he's not on Hopkins level in the grand scheme of things

Roy Jones got KO'd by bums, straight bums man, no excuse

All you got is a bunch of excuses man

Hopkins 50 years old Super WBA light heavyweight champion , ain't no excuses

this nikka fought Chad Dawson and won man, he ended pavlik career, young guys

jones ain't got none of that shyt on his resume

you bring up the tarver fight,..but tarver was weight depleted from gaining significant weight for rocky.

so, all the other shyt we talked about and you exposed your attention to detail.
self admittedly and in execution, in this very thread.
yet, you trying to argue that bhop is better than jones.
when, bhop had to be gifted legacy draws and took no chances like jones.
plus, never outclassed the guys in different division like jones.


everyone bhop beat later on in his career was tainted.
while jones in the nineties where both were active and youthful.
just simply outclassed bhop.

you also,..are trying to say a guy like foreman was better than ali.
when ali beat foreman.
yet, because foreman had success later on after ali was bested, by berbick to spinks.
you are trying to say that foreman was better.

it just doesn't hold weight,....
bhop lost to jones.
just like foreman lost to ali.
so, how in your logic.
does bhop make up this gap and he lost, in his prime.

plus, took less damage cause he was a late start, and jones been going at prodigy levels his whole life.

are we judging the real part of their career, and the story.
or are you just judging what occurred, after roy put himself in harm's way.
when, alternatively bhop did not do the same, as roy.
i can not say a fighter is better.
when, they platooned themselves in a division.
whereas, roy owned said fighter in the same division.
plus, went up in weight and was undefeated.
till he tried to do the factually impossible.

plus, said boxer you like.
lost his first fight and dropped divisions.
then, platooned himself in said division and weight class.
while roy was going up in weight, and winning.






art barr

 

[Master Teacher]

don't get mad, cause you have issues with reading.
ol still have issues about reading since grade school face ass nikka.
that same inability to read.
is indicative of why you don't know and can't showcase much in any discussion.




it has a lot to do with it,..as originally as a pro.
bhop lost fighting at his natural weight in his first fight.
he took a year and a half plus layoff, to go down in weight after losing.
then, he still lost to roy eventually.
the same roy who dominated divisions as early as the olympic to pro's.
now granted, bhop was a late start.
yet, i am not going to disallow everything roy did that was the best of that time.
how is bhop better...
when, earlier in his career.
he was losing and had to completely retool and then, go down in weight to compete.
when, roy dominated from amateurs to as a pro.
plus, dominated bhop in boxing.




here you go discrediting bhop then, trying to build him up for the sake of arguement.
you talking about roy being groomed as a champion.
then, downplay what he does.
then, try to make it like bhop was only fighting a certain length of time.
which is it,......



tarver suffered from the same weight depletion that roy had from the rocky and hw situation.
so, what are you saying...
lemme answer that,..nuffin like usual.




you bring up the tarver fight,..but tarver was weight depleted from gaining significant weight for rocky.

so, all the other shyt we talked about and you exposed your attention to detail.
self admittedly and in execution, in this very thread.
yet, you trying to argue that bhop is better than jones.
when, bhop had to be gifted legacy draws and took no chances like jones.
plus, never outclassed the guys in different division like jones.


everyone bhop beat later on in his career was tainted.
while jones in the nineties where both were active and youthful.
just simply outclassed bhop.

you also,..are trying to say a guy like foreman was better than ali.
when ali beat foreman.
yet, because foreman had success later on after ali was bested, by berbick to spinks.
you are trying to say that foreman was better.

it just doesn't hold weight,....
bhop lost to jones.
just like foreman lost to ali.
so, how in your logic.
does bhop make up this gap and he lost, in his prime.

plus, took less damage cause he was a late start, and jones been going at prodigy levels his whole life.

are we judging the real part of their career, and the story.
or are you just judging what occurred, after roy put himself in harm's way.
when, alternatively bhop did not do the same, as roy.
i can not say a fighter is better.
when, they platooned themselves in a division.
whereas, roy owned said fighter in the same division.
plus, went up in weight and was undefeated.
till he tried to do the factually impossible.

plus, said boxer you like.
lost his first fight and dropped divisions.
then, platooned himself in said division and weight class.
while roy was going up in weight, and winning.






art barr

you keep making a bunch of excuses

He had his first fight at light heavyweight and lost, at the age of 50 he is the lightheavyweight champion
if you don't see the greatness and hard work, I don't knwo what is wrong with you, there's nothing you can say about that

I still don't get what you're talking about, Roy Jones and Hopkins are the same size,

SKILLS IS THE FACTOR

Hopkin was not as skilled when he first fought Roy Jones, this is a fact

that's why Roy's best win his James Toney

Roy Jones didn't suffer from weight depletion in the second Tarver fight, he just got Knocked The fukk Out, that would deplete anybody, when he did suffer from weigh depletion he WON, so stop using that shyt as an excuse

would should could ass nikkaz

its always an excuse, but the facts remain

Roy was talented, and had way more natural ability than Hopkins

but Hopkins overcame him with hard work, that's why he's still around

even tho Hopkins lost to dawson in the second match, at least he fought him

Hopkins has way more notable wins than roy

 

[Mike Ock]

Cause he was forced to

 

[DosCadenaz]

B-Hop one of my favorites, but he not better than Roy Jones Jr.

 

[DosCadenaz]

 

[Road20]

Roy was the shyt don't get it twisted. He was unorthodox however he had a vast amateur career with a gold medal that he got robbed from. So he had the technical pedigree he was just to fast and atheletic to do it. RJJ, Ali, and Mike Tyson, hell throw sergio martinez in there four of the most athletic muffagas in any sport.

 

[Formerly known as...]

RJJ held it down in his peak....Fukk anyone that disagree's!