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How can I be on page three of a thread about an athlete and not see a single gif or video of his prowess??
1 star, neg reps pending.
When are yall faggys gonna give Roy Jones Joonyah his respect tho?
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duckbutta
eienaar van mans
Roy was just about all athleticism and switch reflexes...
Which is why after he shocked his body to hell and back dropping all that weight for the first Tarver fight, it was pretty much over for him...
He won that in a decision, but Tarver was head hunting him and I always viewed it as Tarver ran out of time to knock Roy out more than Roy actually won that fight...
Since Roy did not have any type of real boxing skill, after that athleticism and reflexes started slowing down, he was done...
I've watched a ton of his fights and I can think of maybe 5 times I saw Roy properly block a jab or a hook...
In his later years though...he did give the beats to Trinidad...which shut my Rican friends up for about two weeks...so...thanks Roy
Which is why after he shocked his body to hell and back dropping all that weight for the first Tarver fight, it was pretty much over for him...
He won that in a decision, but Tarver was head hunting him and I always viewed it as Tarver ran out of time to knock Roy out more than Roy actually won that fight...
Since Roy did not have any type of real boxing skill, after that athleticism and reflexes started slowing down, he was done...
I've watched a ton of his fights and I can think of maybe 5 times I saw Roy properly block a jab or a hook...
In his later years though...he did give the beats to Trinidad...which shut my Rican friends up for about two weeks...so...thanks Roy
That French Dude, Lucas, looked like he held his own pretty good.
I am not a boxing fan, so I know shyt from shyt, but Roy looked quick as hell with long reach...but I'm guessing like @duckbutta mentioned above, that only lasts so long.
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properly? bruh roy had his own style thats what made him unique and thats what made him so good thats the problem with some people always wanting "textbook" techniques all the greats had their own way of defense but in his prime rjj was one of greatest defensive boxers of all time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Jones,_Jr._vs._Vinny_Pazienza
In the fourth round, Jones would become the first fighter in the history of compubox to go an entire round without being hit by an opponen
Roy Jones highlights are straight comedy. In there dancing and shyt in the middle of fights. That was some shyt worth paying to see.
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
properly? bruh roy had his own style thats what made him unique and thats what made him so good thats the problem with some people always wanting "textbook" techniques all the greats had their own way of defense but in his prime rjj was one of greatest defensive boxers of all time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Jones,_Jr._vs._Vinny_Pazienza
In the fourth round, Jones would become the first fighter in the history of compubox to go an entire round without being hit by an opponen
The problem is that "textbook" techniques hold up over time..."style" does not...
I agree with you in that Roy was better served using his cat like reflexes (and Roy in his prime probably had the best reflexes of any athlete ever...dude could be downright unhitable at times, I mean you couldn't even land a glancing blow on his shoulder) but...all of that stuff was predicated on Roy being that much faster and having reflexes that much quicker than everyone else...that won't last forever...
His biggest mistake was dropping all that damn weight, that fast, to fight a dude like Tarver who was just a borderline head hunter...just shocked his body to complete shyt and he never really recovered from it
As far as his greatness...eh...when it comes to boxing...I am more apt to vote for a guy who is a "technician"
If you just look at his prime...Roy has one of the strongest cases for best ever...but if you look over his career...it was just to startling to me how much he fell off once his reflexes and athleticism faded...and it wasn't like Roy just fell off a cliff and became non athletic and slow...he just wasn't the most athletic and the fastest anymore...and that is all it took for him to start getting clobbered...
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to each his own my guy
respect
tarver was a bad fight for him i think everybody can say that but roy fought who people wanted him to fight
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
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when, johnson beat roy, he arguably was one of the best boxers in boxing.
that is from an actual skill level.
with no problems in his body's physiology like roy.
roy could have come down to fight some firemen at that weight, and easily cruise to a victory.
against argueably the best in the sport at that exact time.
roy did not stand a chance.
especially after tarver showed that roy's physiology was out of whack and could now be exploited.
you talking like there was no blueprint on roy losing at that point.
a blueprint that only existed because of what roy did to himself, first.
for you to downplay that show you never know what you talembout ever.
plus, it gets proven consistently by me.
how do you know boxing but don't know how skilled glenn johnson was at that exact time.
johnson was undefeated that doesn't not mean he was at his highest skill level as a boxer.
when, johnson beat roy.
he was at the height of his boxing prowess.
when, roy beat bhop.
bhop was at the height of his boxing prowess.
the reason why he stayed in the ww draw for so long was.
he was never a draw, really.
till, just like pbf.
they were put in ring and gifted dela hoya.
when, real talk,,...
delahoya, had a two pronged reason for taking said fight.
against bhop and also let himself be tampered against pbf.
yet, you in here talembout you know boxing.
yet, still want to negate physiology.
when, anyone who knows boxing knows the immediate dangers with weight/physiology.
so, for you to downplay it.
shows you don't know what you ar talembout .
plus, i have proven tim eand time again in discussion with you.
you really don't know what you are talembout at all, if ever.
nikka, roy beat all the top fighters in the time when they were that guy.
before he damaged his body's physiology.
you keep trying to move the goalpost.
when, hopkins only got the title of distinction.
after roy moved on.
plus, roy beat him.
to the point that hopkins obsessed about it his entire career.
plus, hopkins benefitted from being inring with roy.
roy bested him, and moved on.
yet, hopkins invested in loss, from roy.
so, trying to even authenicate bhop's ww dominance is not going to work.
in a conversation about roy, because roy beat the man.
at the height of his boxing prowess.
you talk all that bullshyt, but real talk.
you don't understand the best defense is not gettng hit, or being there for the strike, to land.
roy beat those dudes who are trained to strike with accurracy.
next,..no man will ever after doing what roy did return to form.
i know you don't lift shyt like as far as mass volume and body building.
you make it seem like oh, you just snap back to being who you were.
after putting your system through shock physiologicaly like that.
roy basically injured his body legacy wise.
thise was not some simple knickknack injury like a paper cut.
this was twenty five pounds of muscle.
plus, whatever it took on top of that.
to make weight,.....
at roy's age,..there was no.
oh, he is back to the same.
there is no way after you do that.
plus, real talk,....
you talking like sugar ray robinson was the same guy doing the same thing and to this day.
a movie was made off the guy who caught ray slipping because of weight depletion.
to the point, you downplay it like all the whites who relish in ray robinson's loss.
yet, robinson was doing way more physiologically than the bull.
to the point,..no one really in general if you know a lamotta fan.
will speak on ray going up and down.
yet, that is the variable that is most important in ray robinson's key losses.
i know you don't know shyt about the body's physiology, at all.
as you downplay being 2oo lb's like anyone can be 2oo lb's.
when, that is a belief by someone who really has no idea what the fukk they are talembout.
plus, no real actualization in the weight room themselves.
i know you have holes in your knowledge.
especially as far as technical to skill cause the first time you took issue with me.
you tried to downplay the internal side and you are called master teacher.
you not a master teacher and you downplay physiology.
plus, the internal side.
you not a master teacher of a damn thing, breh.
you been cobra kai, and this bullshyt i am responding to.
is more evidence and proof of that.
so, your roy did not have no comp talks, extend to bhop, too.
as he beat bhop,..so what are you saying.
smh,..at the hw title after moving up from junior middle weight, for his carer.
just being a nice notch in the belt.
when, typically hw title is the grandest prize in the sport.
stfu,...fool.
you really think weight is a non-factor.
i can tell you not as thorough as you try to front like you are.
as you down play the physical as not being of a determining factor when sizing an opponent.
on top of other variables that deal with real application of knowledge in combat.
roy jones was not the roy jones jr. after he droppped, period.
nobody stalked roy effectively before this situation.
in back to back to back encounters...regardless of their pedigree.
so, what are you talembout.
you couldn't possibly be the person to ask about this sitution.
if you think roy looked/was the same.
after he dropped to fight tarver, tarver ii, or johnson.
or, any other time in his career.
show, you really don't understand the body like that.
plus, i know you don't.
as you self admittedly downplay the internal and physical side.
every time you have tried to call me out.
when, facts, skill, physiology easily dispel what you are talembout.
not to mention,..
you don't understand..you can't dispute a fact.
art barr
when, johnson beat roy, he arguably was one of the best boxers in boxing.
that is from an actual skill level.
with no problems in his body's physiology like roy.
roy could have come down to fight some firemen at that weight, and easily cruise to a victory.
against argueably the best in the sport at that exact time.
roy did not stand a chance.
especially after tarver showed that roy's physiology was out of whack and could now be exploited.
you talking like there was no blueprint on roy losing at that point.
a blueprint that only existed because of what roy did to himself, first.
for you to downplay that show you never know what you talembout ever.
plus, it gets proven consistently by me.
how do you know boxing but don't know how skilled glenn johnson was at that exact time.
master teacher said:
johnson was undefeated that doesn't not mean he was at his highest skill level as a boxer.
when, johnson beat roy.
he was at the height of his boxing prowess.
when, roy beat bhop.
bhop was at the height of his boxing prowess.
the reason why he stayed in the ww draw for so long was.
he was never a draw, really.
till, just like pbf.
they were put in ring and gifted dela hoya.
when, real talk,,...
delahoya, had a two pronged reason for taking said fight.
against bhop and also let himself be tampered against pbf.
yet, you in here talembout you know boxing.
yet, still want to negate physiology.
when, anyone who knows boxing knows the immediate dangers with weight/physiology.
so, for you to downplay it.
shows you don't know what you ar talembout .
plus, i have proven tim eand time again in discussion with you.
you really don't know what you are talembout at all, if ever.
nikka, roy beat all the top fighters in the time when they were that guy.
before he damaged his body's physiology.
you keep trying to move the goalpost.
when, hopkins only got the title of distinction.
after roy moved on.
plus, roy beat him.
to the point that hopkins obsessed about it his entire career.
plus, hopkins benefitted from being inring with roy.
roy bested him, and moved on.
yet, hopkins invested in loss, from roy.
so, trying to even authenicate bhop's ww dominance is not going to work.
in a conversation about roy, because roy beat the man.
at the height of his boxing prowess.
master teacher said:
you talk all that bullshyt, but real talk.
you don't understand the best defense is not gettng hit, or being there for the strike, to land.
roy beat those dudes who are trained to strike with accurracy.
next,..no man will ever after doing what roy did return to form.
i know you don't lift shyt like as far as mass volume and body building.
you make it seem like oh, you just snap back to being who you were.
after putting your system through shock physiologicaly like that.
roy basically injured his body legacy wise.
thise was not some simple knickknack injury like a paper cut.
this was twenty five pounds of muscle.
plus, whatever it took on top of that.
to make weight,.....
at roy's age,..there was no.
oh, he is back to the same.
there is no way after you do that.
plus, real talk,....
you talking like sugar ray robinson was the same guy doing the same thing and to this day.
a movie was made off the guy who caught ray slipping because of weight depletion.
to the point, you downplay it like all the whites who relish in ray robinson's loss.
yet, robinson was doing way more physiologically than the bull.
to the point,..no one really in general if you know a lamotta fan.
will speak on ray going up and down.
yet, that is the variable that is most important in ray robinson's key losses.
i know you don't know shyt about the body's physiology, at all.
as you downplay being 2oo lb's like anyone can be 2oo lb's.
when, that is a belief by someone who really has no idea what the fukk they are talembout.
plus, no real actualization in the weight room themselves.
i know you have holes in your knowledge.
especially as far as technical to skill cause the first time you took issue with me.
you tried to downplay the internal side and you are called master teacher.
you not a master teacher and you downplay physiology.
plus, the internal side.
you not a master teacher of a damn thing, breh.
you been cobra kai, and this bullshyt i am responding to.
is more evidence and proof of that.
so, your roy did not have no comp talks, extend to bhop, too.
as he beat bhop,..so what are you saying.
master teacher said:
smh,..at the hw title after moving up from junior middle weight, for his carer.
just being a nice notch in the belt.
when, typically hw title is the grandest prize in the sport.
stfu,...fool.
you really think weight is a non-factor.
i can tell you not as thorough as you try to front like you are.
as you down play the physical as not being of a determining factor when sizing an opponent.
on top of other variables that deal with real application of knowledge in combat.
master teacher said:
roy jones was not the roy jones jr. after he droppped, period.
nobody stalked roy effectively before this situation.
in back to back to back encounters...regardless of their pedigree.
so, what are you talembout.
you couldn't possibly be the person to ask about this sitution.
if you think roy looked/was the same.
after he dropped to fight tarver, tarver ii, or johnson.
or, any other time in his career.
show, you really don't understand the body like that.
plus, i know you don't.
as you self admittedly downplay the internal and physical side.
every time you have tried to call me out.
when, facts, skill, physiology easily dispel what you are talembout.
not to mention,..
you don't understand..you can't dispute a fact.
art barr
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
people been discrediting jones being as good as he was, since he started fighting firemen.
yet, they forget all the people he outclassed before that.
like he did not embarrass the top flight boxers.
who later on either went on to greatness.
which only happened after they invested in loss to jones.
if he never goes down in weight....
not buying into chasing history.
art barr
Stop it man, you don't know shyt about boxing, no wonder you think mayweather couldn't KO 50 cent
Benard Hopkin was not at his boxing peak when Roy beat him
he got better has he got older
and Hopkins is going down in history as being better than Roy, he still making history
You wanna talk about draws, RJJ was never a big PPV draw, he's nowhere near Floyd in that regard why did you even bring that up, shows you don't know what the hell you are talking about
Roy was gifted and dominated, but he is one of the best ever
but lets call a spade a spade
Ruiz was trash, but still a great accomplishment
Roy Jones looked like shyt in tarver one, you could see something was wrong with him, he was just coming off the HW but he STILL WON
In Tarver 2, nothing looked wrong with Roy, he actually had tarver scared, but he was over aggressive much like he was in the Griffen II, difference is, Griffen caught him with shots as he attacked but couldn't hurt him and was KO'd easily
tarver throw the right punch at the right time and Knocked him the hell out, it had nothing to with roy's body
Roy was just in the wrong era, he had no comp in his prime, and the euros were too scared to go fight him
with that said
Roy is not better than Floyd
he's not better than Hopkins
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
bhop was at his boxing peak, when he lost to jones.
as he never faced anyone as gifted as jones.
after jones, and b hop lost,....
do we have to cite b hop's record.
before jones,..as the only loss he had.
was when he was out of a weight class that matched his physiology.
do, we have to cite how bhop started his career.
than reshifted and to what division he reshifted to.
after jones,..he never faced anyone better than jones.
so, how can i say he was at his boxing peak.
when it was never tested by a higher quality opponent than jones.
a jones he obsessed over and used to ramp up.
by investing in his loss to jones.
your argument would hold weight if jones never defeated bhop.
yet, jones defeated bhop by outboxing him, too.
masterteacher said:
hopkins is not going down in history as better than jones.
jones was voted the best boxer of the nineties.
when, hopkins was at his skill prowess and lost to jones.
jones, also won a hw title and dropped down.
bhop, stayed platooned in the ww division till later on his natural body physiology.
called for him to move up in weight.
he did not go up in weight like jones..
where jones was seeking to make history.
no way a guy who stayed platooned is going to go down as better than jones.
given the fact, jones chased history.
where factually he succumbed to what facts and history say you will not be able to do.
which is go down in that extreme in weight.
then, beat an of skilled boxer who is solidified in weight/body physiology.
then, never damaged their physiology.
masterteacher said:
i know you don't know boxing because jones was his own promoter.
so, his draw was only as big as his prowess as a promoter.
jones was a much larger draw because he did not lean on nationalism.
or have to be connected to nationalism large draw, like pbf did to gain his draw.
nor, did jones have to have a stepping stone to drawing greatly like pbf.
as pbf, had to be with hbo/show, dlh, and arum.
while roy made his own fights with his own reach.
plus, pbf, really is a trickle down draw and more about transference of draw from dlh.
than, about his real draw as an actual boxer.
as real talk,...
roy was making his own ppv's for years.
while pbf, was still on paid cable contracts.
which is where he got the moniker money from.
yet, in that...he was nowhwere near jones as a fightrer or draw.
till pbf, was able to tamper dlh's training. in a complete, conflict of interest.
plus, piggyback off of dlh's nationalism style draw.
master teacher said:
if you know boxing,....
most people say tarver won the first bout.
as a huge roy fan, i personally feel tarver won the first bout.
plus you don't understand physiology...
so, you think it is an easy task to beat ruiz at heavyweight coming up from the weight roy did.
plus, you don't know boxing.
as you easily demonstrate you don't know anything about the dangers, or positive/negative of moving up in weight.
master teacher said:
roy, before he damaged his body's physiology was better than pbf, and hopkins.
as a matter of fact, both hopkins and floyd needed dlh, to draw or be given a distrinction.
roy beat his opponents and made his own draw.
that he did not use nationalism.
or a trickle down from nationalism style draw of dlh, to draw like pbf, and bhop.
if bhop and pbf, never fight dlh,..they never are mentioned in the same breath.
as what roy did before he dropped weight and damaged his physiology, period.
you know you don't read and disallow facts.
i never said mayweather could not beat fiddy in a boxing match.
i said in a fight, fiddy would have a chance to smash on mayweather.
there is a difference between a fight and sanctioned boxing match.
you don't understand any of that, because your knowledge base is not on par with:
art barr
that is easily discernible.
plus, you don't really read what people say.
you skim,..so, you are ignorant and ignorance is not knowing what is being discussed in full.
that is why i know you don't know the subject.
in the robust braintrust i know these things.
as i actually showcase a grasp of the technical/facts aspects, to any variable.
you never are adept at any discussion of the full variable.
plus, you don't show an aptitude for the facts/technical.
so, stop trying to play like you are this great poster with this wealth of fukk'n knowledge.
if you were that great,..you would be known like:
art barr
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
@Art Barr he's different than those imo he's not that type of fighter his theory was you can't hit what you can't see he used speed and his counters wereb hop is a chess player in that ring
boxing is the art of not getting hit, and roy jones did that to the full hilt of what a so-called boxer is.
way before he damaged his physiology.
in combat the first thing they teach is the best defense is don't even be there to get hit.
now, would i put roy in the pocket and tell him to fight like that,...
man, hell no.....
roy was never no in the pocket take damage from every possible angle style boxer like that.
he was not ever going to fight like joe louis, jack johnson.
plus, people forget,..his whole style was based on illegal cock fighting.
if you ever seen that style of illegal gambing.
the best cock fighters are the ones who never get pecked/clawed.
roy was built from that style of fighting.
roy was not a kangaroo style fighter...who stayed right in front of you on a test of testerone/prowess.
art barr