What's your educational attainment level?

[ch15x]

so what's your line of work like?

library assistant at a university

 

[tru_m.a.c]

@BarNone and @Blackking are from michigan 1a and michigan 1b?

aaaaaaaah fukk naw....I'ma have to put y'all on ignore all fall

who else do I have to ignore from the Big 10

 

[Rawtid]

what were the titles of your degrees if you don't mind me asking?

what led you down that path?

I have a B.S in management and information systems. As far as my Masters and Phd goes, I don't know what field. Right now I work in Finance so I'm thinking of keeping down this path.

I started undergrad majoring in Engineering but I had a full-time job while I went to school and I couldn't keep up with work and the schooling and plus I started working more hours and said Eff school. When I went back to finish, M.I.S was a better alternative...lighter course load, online classes were offered and my all of my gen ed's were transferable.

 

[Rawtid]

damn bro I'd feel like either one of those degrees would be 6 years

aren't most engineering degrees a minimum of 5yrs? and you have two?

how'd you manage, and why/how did you combine the two?

Actually Engineering degrees don't vary all much. The Gen Eds are typically the same and some of the core classes too so it wasn't like he had to start over with each major, just take a few more classes.

And lol I took the thread the wrong way. I took it as what level of education you'd want to attain in your life...like eventually lol. So I don't have a Masters or PhD yet but I have plans to get both.

 

[theworldismine13]

You are repeating some DuBois "Talented Tenth" mantra about college educated people serving as the foundation for a particular community, the problem with that stance is that are too many communities that have excelled without white collar college educated people serving as the main foundation. That is not to say higher education is not important, but I think too often you place too much weight and oversell just how important a variable it actually is.

In terms of gentrification you are wrong about the income makeup of gentrifiers, the ones who are broke are still being subisidized by their parents and many of the gentrifiers are still making more than 40k especially when you start talking about the ones residing in major cities. Even the level of education attainment can vary among these gentrifier groups.

really?LOL, what is this community you speak of that has "excelled" without the college educated serving as the foundation?

i think what i am saying goes further than the the talented tenth and is more grassroots, im saying that the overall level of education is what determines the level of wealth, its not just a talented tenth theorem, i would describe what i am saying as a critical mass theorem, there are some cases of success but overall black people have not reached a critical mass of educated people and educated environments to have self sustaining prosperous communities, i think this is true not just here in the us but all over the world

the way i see it, its inevitable at least in the world we live in now, that educated people will almost automatically create and receive most of the wealth

i dont have any stats about gentrifiers, that was more of from what i have seen personally but i would agree that "broke" is relative, it is true that people arent really broke in the sense that people in the hood are broke, they are "broke" relative to their upper middle class or middle class background and you are right that they still receive the financial benefits from their family

but i think being a broke unemployed humanities major, regardless of race or class, has residual benefits from networking and job opportunities that exceed those of the broke unemployed high school graduate and their movement contribute to what would be described as gentrification

the larger point isnt just gentrification, its "white flight" and also the decay of the midwest, all represent a movement of educated people

I find it interesting that you continue to trivialize the role of debt when we know it can serve as a barrier to obtaining capital, credit, and land.

i think the debt issue is important but it has to be put in perspective, first of all the notion that you can graduate from college debt free is something new, 20-30 year student loans was considered normal since forever, what changed is the level of debt and the huge increase in college costs, but i dont buy this notion that the world will end if you dont graduate debt free, especially if its a federal loan, because they have all sorts of payment plans to ease the burden if you are broke or unemployed, that is why i dont even believe in this so called student debt crisis or bubble that will supposedly pop, its not gonna pop

this is a good story http://qz.com/85017/college-in-sweden-is-free-but-students-still-have-a-ton-of-debt-how-can-that-be/

the point is that its a bureaucratic issue and we have to figure out a better way to finance college, but that shouldn't have anything to do with whether you go to college, the notion that that black people or the united states can progress with people going around talking college down is silly and misguided

In that way the 28 year old bus driver is better off than the 28 year old Africana Studies graduate with 50k in debt from a mid-tier university.

well for one i assume they have the satisfaction of pursuing their intellectual curiosity

but my point isnt about personal things, its about community development and in those terms an africana studies major is highly beneficial to the community 1) they are able to pass knowledge to their family and neighbors and 3) they become role models and information banks about college to their friends and neighbors 4) they are better prepared to become part of the bureaucratic machine that is government or the private sector 5) as im sure you already know education is directly linked to productivity, so technically speaking an africanas major is more productive than a bus driver, so an africana major adds to the productivity of a community 5) in the long rung their income will be higher than the bus drivers, therefore contributing more to the tax base

Here is a video that discusses the effects of a Black child having college educated Black parents, sadly the benefits are not that great...

well i dont have time to watch it but i wouldnt necessarily disagree that the benefits of having college educated black parents are not that great hence my point about critical mass, hence me putting my argument in terms of community development and hence me wailing about the devastating effects of anti academic elements in black culture

so if for example a kid has college educated parents, but the culture discourages academics and neighborhood friends dont have college educated parents, then there will be little benefit from it, but lets say he lives in a neighborhood or block where most parents are college educated, that is a whole different story

that is why my theory is not a rehash of the talented tenth, im not saying that you can have one college educated person for every 10 people and that that will fix things, what i am saying is that we require a critical mass of black college educated people and a significant cultural shift

the broke unemployed africanas major is part of the critical mass we need, the issue of the 30K loan is an issue that we should take up with our congressman and president, its a bureaucratic issue that we need to workout

 

[No1]

@BarNone and @Blackking are from michigan 1a and michigan 1b?

aaaaaaaah fukk naw....I'ma have to put y'all on ignore all fall

who else do I have to ignore from the Big 10

Oh you have missed out on all my shytting talking all these years in the coliseum hahaha. Wolverine until the end.

 

[No1]

NOOOOOOOOOOOW, to bring it back to what I was saying earlier @NZA @VictorVonDoom @ogc163 , etc. Basically, I've always advocated that college is an investment, and one that pays dividends if you know what you're doing. If you look at black king's post he says that it's a waste period. That is what I was getting at, and I understood what he was getting at. There was nothing about situations or anything else. He feels that it is worthless in a general sense. I cannot agree with that and I get bothered when I see people preaching that to children. The numbers don't lie.

Now, when I say that you have to grind and intern and everything else. It means that you first have to have some inkling of what you want to do and the odds that the university your at will help you do it. If not, you're in a bad spot. I mentioned my friends, because I've said this before, I'm one of a few who actually went to an "elite university." They all went to average schools and were able to find jobs because they researched the schools before accepting and busted their asses academically and internship wise. So when I say "all degrees" yes, every single degree can help you get a job, IF you know what you're doing with that degree and while you're getting it. My friend who is about to become a cop majored in criminal justice because of his ties to the police force here and because he knew that it would give him leverage in getting a job afterwards. If you just go major in criminal justice out of interest then it's a terrible investment. The ROI is very low.

If you want to major in art or design, and you seriously want to make a career out of that, if you go to a good school for it then double major with something else that you know will get you a job. Otherwise, you better go to RISD and schools of that nature and bust your ass while you're there. That level of elite and the name will help you get into most doors then it's on you. If you don't get in somewhere like that then you've got to switch up your plans. The point is, nothing is absolute. All college degrees and the prestige of such degrees are not created equal nor are the opportunities so you have to take that into consideration. But once you considered everything, and have an idea, college is almost always worth it. As far as there not being enough internships for everyone, that's just not true. This is my specialty. There are always jobs and internship for college students to find in the summer and many of them go unfilled. The reason is that most college students cannot afford to spend an entire summer working in NYC, DC, San Fran, LA while being unpaid just to have included on their resume. The paying internships ARE few and far in-between. This is why there is a class action law suit by interns against Fox right now.

The fact is though, that any legitimate university has alum connections and can help you find ways to intern. Notice I said LEGITIMATE. This doesn't mean "elite" it means knowing that Katherine Gibbs (RI thing) isn't going to do shyt for you more often than not. But all of that is part of the equation. This is just the surface. But you don't even get to this conversation if you tell kids that college is completely worthless, especially if your justification is that all it does is help you get jobs...which is the entire point these days. That's my 2 minute spiel. If I talk about everything with greater detail that would span 6 posts. @theworldismine13 the scenario you're talking about makes little sense, I just wanted you to know that.

Only in your world is putting the people less likely to have ownership of anything is this country in a position where it will be more difficult to gain any ownership a good thing.

 

[Robbie3000]

I'm apt to support TWISM on this one. One reason for my bias is that I come from an immigrant background that highly values education and I have seen communities lifted from working class to comfortable middle class in less than a generation. It may be anecdotal, but there are stats that support my position if you compare economic performance and education levels across groups.

The highest educated groups (Asians and Jews) often have household incomes much greater than the national median and much higher than for the least educated groups (AA and Latinos).

Just look at the demographics of Jews in comparision to the National median or average.

More than half of all Jewish adults (55%) have received a college degree, and a quarter (25%) have earned a graduate degree. The comparable figures for the total U.S. population are 29% and 6%. Jewish men are more likely than Jewish women to have college degrees (61% vs. 50%) and graduate degrees (29% vs. 21%).

Proportionally, slightly fewer adult Jews are currently employed (61%) than in the total U.S. population (65%), reflecting the older Jewish population. More than 60% of all employed Jews are in one of the three highest status job categories: professional/technical (41%), management and executive (13%), and business and finance (7%). In contrast, 46% of all Americans work in these three high status areas, including 29% in professional/technical jobs, 12% in management and executive positions, and 5% in business and finance.

The distribution of household income among Jews, especially at the high end of the income scale, reflects their relatively high education levels and high status jobs. More than one-third of Jewish households (34%) report income over $75,000, compared to 17% of all U.S. households. Proportionally fewer Jewish households (22%) than total U.S. households (28%) report household income under $25,000. The current median income of Jewish households is $54,000, 29% higher than the median U.S. household income of $42,000. In 1990, the median income of Jewish households was $39,000, 34% higher than the median income of $29,000 for all U.S. households.

Despite often sizable subgroup differences, Asian Americans are distinctive as a whole, especially when compared with all U.S. adults, whom they exceed not just in the share with a college degree (49% vs. 28%), but also in median annual household income ($66,000 versus $49,800).

Median household wealth for Asian Americans — the sum of assets minus debts — was $83,500 in 2010 for Asian-Americans in 2010. That is higher than the median net worth for all U.S. households ($68, 529). Compared with other race or ethnic groups, Asian Americans had lower median household wealth than non-Hispanic whites ($112,000). But Asian-American wealth was notably higher than it was for Hispanics ($7,800) or for blacks ($5,730)

I'm not saying that education is the silver bullet to problems in the AA community, but it's clear from stats, education has a huge impact.

 

[Blackking]

Oh you have missed out on all my shytting talking all these years in the coliseum hahaha. Wolverine until the end.

 

[No1]

 

[Blackking]

naw...

 

[No1]

naw...

Now I know why you thought college was worthless. You're a Spartan. Now I wholeheartedly agree with you. This is your future

 

[theworldismine13]

@theworldismine13 the scenario you're talking about makes little sense, I just wanted you to know that.

Only in your world is putting the people less likely to have ownership of anything is this country in a position where it will be more difficult to gain any ownership a good thing.

i think you are using hypotheticals on top of hypotheticals, i agree that if you take out 150K in PRIVATE student loans to get a humanities degree and you dont get a job paying 100K you might be ass out

but why would you do that and how common is that? the more common thing is a student coming out with a 20-30 k federal loan that they can easily defer or pay on an income basis

student debt is a bureaucratic issue and and its an issue that people should take into account when deciding what school to go to, i dont think it should be seriously taken into account on whether to go to college, there are so many ways to get around the student loan trap, if its even a trap, that i dont think that its a fundamental issue

 

[Blackking]

Now I know why you thought college was worthless. You're a Spartan. Now I wholeheartedly agree with you. This is your future

But we'll see what happens 2 Nov breh... you're gonna be

 

[FreshFromATL]

what were the titles of your degrees if you don't mind me asking?

what led you down that path?

Associates - Business
Bachelors - Business with concentration in Finance
Bachelors - Informatics with concentration in Human Computer Interaction
Masters - MBA with concentration in Management

I love understanding how businesses work, and their intricacies, if you will. I love math and trying to figure out how money is flowing throughout organizations, industries, and the world. Last, I love technology, manipulating it, and big data.