What's your educational attainment level?

[Blackking]

I will say this, I do always get slightly bothered by that "college wasn't worth it" crowd .

But I hate when the untalented and mediocre people knock college, I think the "college wasn't worth it" crowd are probably mostly underachievers who really don't have any potential.

I say college isn't worth it...... because it isn't. You can learn all that BS (and note first 2-3 years is worthless) without college. It's ONLY worth it because higher education is a requirement at most places. Outside of that its not. It's superficial for a superficial society. Some of The most intelligent and highest paid and most innovative people have either dropped out of college or never went.

Then again people have different levels of drive... but you only need certs to program and you don't need a stressful (drug abusing) law school to pass the bar. Some states let you practice under an attorney learning real experiences then take the bar. The only field I say school is necessary for is being a doctor or nurse.

School provides a structure for people without discipline to learn new things..and it provides the scam of billions of dollars being paid out for substandard results (on average). The fed gov is eating really good off student loan debt.. as a teenager i knew this shyt. I was willing to risk my life rather than to contribute to that BS and our BS system with my loans or hard earned money.

 

[Tommy Fits]

Associates Degree in liberal arts

Had no idea what I wanted to go for and when I was making the money to be able to pay out of pocket I didn't have the time. Now that I have the time I don't have the money and I'm not trying to have student debt up to my chin. I see the stress it puts on my girl. I'm doing ok anyways without more education and my plans and where I'm going don't need any further education. That said I would like to go back to school one day just for the personal achievement factor.

 

[blackzeus]

Couldn't vote, but I got a bachelor's, but thank God I ain't in the corporate world, these days I don't see how you're getting a decent salary without a master's

 

[No1]

im assuming these people are saying it's not worth it for them, and if your situation does not line up with theirs, then it would be pretty much assumed that their comments dont apply to you, just people in the same boat as them, which would actually be a pretty important perspective for such teens to listen to.

You're assuming wrong. Look at black king's post. Listen, I've talked about this subject more than anyone on this board. I figure that at this point people would know where my perspective is at. I figure that as a regular you would know where my stance is. . If you don't recall where I stand then I don't fault you for that, and then "I" made the wrong assumption. I just said in like 3 sentences what I've explained further in essay upon essay on here. Right now you're attributing to me what I'm known for arguing against. Not for nothing, but this is what I am most commonly @ into a thread for. You've been napping fam lol.

@VictorVonDoom You also know where I stand on these issues, so I don't know why you're running wild with those sentences ignoring the background of the person who said them and what they most likely mean. This isn't a new topic. This would be the equivalent of me reading @Liquid 's stance on jobs the other day and thinking that he was a die hard conservative because I didn't bring my prior knowledge of his stances to the table. Come on fellas .

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

You're assuming wrong. Look at black king's post. Listen, I've talked about this subject more than anyone on this board. I figure that at this point people would know where my perspective is at. I figure that as a regular you would know where my stance is. There's really no discussion here. You're really arguing for the sake of arguing, and if you don't recall where I stand then I don't fault you for that. But there's no discussion here at all.

@VictorVonDoom is also arguing for the sake of arguing. For the record, you also, are saying things that I've literally written essays about on here. And you've dapped up those posts, so I know you know that. This isn't a new topic. This would be the equivalent of me reading @Liquid 's stance on jobs the other day and thinking that he was a die hard conservative because I didn't bring my prior knowledge of his stances to the table. Come on fellas .

Nobody is arguing for the sake of arguing. All I said is your claim that you can get a decent job with almost any degree if you just apply yourself is demonstrably false and it is. There simply aren't job prospects for many majors.

Also I don't know what you're talking about when you speak of me knowing your opinions about from the past. I don't usually read or post in any of those college threads so I'm not familiar with whatever your referring to.

 

[Depreciating Asset]

Got a bachelor's and master's degree.

 

[theworldismine13]

I will say this, I do always get slightly bothered by that "college wasn't worth it" crowd that went to college and didn't apply themselves or try to intern or gear themselves towards getting a job. College is worth it if you know what you're doing almost regardless of the degree if you have a very specific drive and know what you want. I don't know any of my friends who regrets going to college, but they are also all employed.

co-sign

IMO the main reason why black people are poor and at the bottom of all these statistics is point blank because black people are uneducated, for black people any degree, even if an English or a supposedly useless degree is a huge step forward in terms of developing a prosperous communities, it is much better to have a bunch of unemployed broke people with humanities degrees then a bunch of unemployed broke high school dropouts or graduates

 

[Depreciating Asset]

You can do well without a college degree but it's harder.

 

[No1]

co-sign

IMO the main reason why black people are poor and at the bottom of all these statistics is point blank because black people are uneducated, for black people any degree, even if an English or a supposedly useless degree is a huge step forward in terms of developing a prosperous communities, it is much better to have a bunch of unemployed broke people with humanities degrees then a bunch of unemployed broke high school dropouts or graduates

Unemployed broke people with that average 30k in debt, and black already have so little equity. Now, I see where what I said in the past apparently doesn't apply right now Whoa whoa whoa, let come back and explain in a couple hours.

 

[ogc163]

I will say this, I do always get slightly bothered by that "college wasn't worth it" crowd that went to college and didn't apply themselves or try to intern or gear themselves towards getting a job. College is worth it if you know what you're doing almost regardless of the degree if you have a very specific drive and know what you want. I don't know any of my friends who regrets going to college, but they are also all employed.

But you forget to mention that you went to Michigan which is an elite institution. You cannot compare the experiences of kids who went to St.Johns and now find themselves assed out with 80K in debt with only a BA to show for it with students from Michigan. St.Johns has raised their tuition every year for the past couple of years even though they are a mid-tier university with students that are supposed to be competing in the most competitive environment in the world. I personally know many people who did all the right things in college and still cannot find employment or are underemployed. Most of those kids have every right to be pissed off at the situation they find themselves in. Now are there kids who have all the risks explained to them and still go into crazy amounts of debt? Sure, and those are the ones I have less sympathy for but they still have a reason to complain imo. I only pick on St.Johns because my little sister goes there even though she could have went to Baruch and graduated with no debt but still chose the overpriced St.Johns.

Anyways back to the original topic... I have my Associates and BA (No Debt ) and I am starting Law School in three weeks.

 

[p00rky]

Highschool

I make more than my friends that went to college and the majority of them are still paying off student loans. Affiliate marketing ftw

 

[No1]

But you forget to mention that you went to Michigan which is an elite institution. You cannot compare the experiences of kids who went to St.Johns and now find themselves assed out with 80K in debt with only a BA to show for it with students from Michigan. St.Johns has raised their tuition every year for the past couple of years even though they are a mid-tier university with students that are supposed to be competing in the most competitive environment in the world. I personally know many people who did all the right things in college and still cannot find employment or are underemployed. Most of those kids have every right to be pissed off at the situation they find themselves in. Now are there kids who have all the risks explained to them and still go into crazy amounts of debt? Sure, and those are the ones I have less sympathy for but they still have a reason to complain imo. I only pick on St.Johns because my little sister goes there even though she could have went to Baruch and graduated with no debt but still chose the overpriced St.Johns.

Anyways back to the original topic... I have my Associates and BA (No Debt ) and I am starting Law School in three weeks.

All I get from this post, my dude is that every time I post, I need to qualify every single thing I say again. No matter how many times I've said it before. COME ON. I mean, I post long and detailed and people don't read, I say it in three sentences and everyone forgets the 80 essays on the subject that I've written since 2011. You're all preaching at the wrong person, but I get it. I mean, I don't get it, because like how I know where your stances come from on anything to where I'd get what a 3 sentence version of the response you just gave would mean. But I get it in the sense that without context what I said could mean many things, but I figured that I didn't have to provide. Which I will go back and edit and do later because I'm getting far too many notifications right now with people taking that statement at a bunch of different angles.

 

[theworldismine13]

Unemployed broke people with that average 30k in debt, and black already have so little equity. Now, I see where what I said in the past apparently doesn't apply right now Whoa whoa whoa, let come back and explain in a couple hours.

well i wasnt trying to put words in your mouth, i was just saying why i agree with the statement about getting irritated at the college is waste crowd

but yeah we might disagree, in the context of community development an unemployed, broke african american with 30K in debt and a humanities college degree is not something to lose sleep over and over the long run its a good thing and completely worth it

the thing that should make people lose sleep at night is the unemployed, broke hs graduate or high school dropout

over the long run the broke, 30k in doubt college graduate will make more money, have access to more job opportunities and have better educated children, in other words they are building blocks of a good community

the same cannot be said of the broke, unemployed high school graduate or dropout

 

[ogc163]

All I get from this post, my dude is that every time I post, I need to qualify every single thing I say again. No matter how many times I've said it before. COME ON. I mean, I post long and detailed and people don't read, I say it in three sentences and everyone forgets the 80 essays on the subject that I've written since 2011. You're all preaching at the wrong person, but I get it. I mean, I don't get it, because like how I know where your stances come from on anything to where I'd get what a 3 sentence version of the response you just gave would mean. But I get it in the sense that without context what I said could mean many things, but I figured that I didn't have to provide. Which I will go back and edit and do later because I'm getting far too many notifications right now with people taking that statement at a bunch of different angles.

I have to co-sign the sentiment that VVD put forward earlier and make it clear that I am not really an active participant in the college/debt threads so I don't really know your stance. Aside from twism's " Black college degree attainment is good regardless of debt" stance I can't say I can remember any posters stance on college issues just off the top of my head, so it's not just exclusive to you.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

well i wasnt trying to put words in your mouth, i was just saying why i agree with the statement about getting irritated at the college is waste crowd

but yeah we might disagree, in the context of community development an unemployed, broke african american with 30K in debt and a humanities college degree is not something to lose sleep over and over the long run its a good thing and completely worth it

the thing that should make people lose sleep at night is the unemployed, broke hs graduate or high school dropout

over the long run the broke, 30k in doubt college graduate will make more money, have access to more job opportunities and have better educated children, in other words they are building blocks of a good community

the same cannot be said of the broke, unemployed high school graduate or dropout

This makes no sense. Someone who ends up 30K in debt with a humanities degree is not worth it. It would be better off for that person to just learn a trade or get an apprenticeship, or try to go into the workforce as a truck driver, UPS man, postal employee, garbage man, customer service, collections or whatever at a call center or office.

You can't do anything with a humanities degree. If you apply for a job as say an insurance adjuster--something that pays about 35K and doesn't require a degree--you do not necessarily have a leg up on the next person just because you have a humanities degree.