What's your educational attainment level?

What's your educational attainment level?


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theworldismine13

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:what: This makes no sense. Someone who ends up 30K in debt with a humanities degree is not worth it. It would be better off for that person to just learn a trade or get an apprenticeship, or try to go into the workforce as a truck driver, UPS man, postal employee, garbage man, customer service, collections or whatever at a call center or office.

You can't do anything with a humanities degree. If you apply for a job as say an insurance adjuster--something that pays about 35K and doesn't require a degree--you do not necessarily have a leg up on the next person just because you have a humanities degree...just tens of thousands in debt.

well like i said and i have always said, the issue is community development, culture and intellectual development

imo black people are poor and live in bad neighborhoods with bad schools and are involved with the justice system fundamentally because black people are uneducated, that is the root of the problem

in other words the issue isnt just about cash, but even if it was, there are people that graduate with zero debt, so the 30K is more of a personal issue and a bureaucratic issue and when you take into account the higher earning potential, the higher promotion potential and the lower unemployment rate, it can very well be worth it terms of cash

but again its not really about cash, its about community development, culture and intellectual development, in those terms a broke humanities major with 30K in debt is a good thing

who would you rather have living around you or what helps a neighborhood deal with crime and bad schools, a broke, unemployed high school graduate or a broke unemployed humanities major????

a lot of this talk about gentrification is put in racial terms, but i would assert its better to look at it in terms of educational level, a lot of this so called gentrification is just broke, unemployed humanities majors with 30K in debt moving into poor neighborhoods and then bringing in higher earning people later, who ask the question i just posted above

on a personal level 30K in debt might be bad but at a community development level an educated person is a building block of a strong prosperous community regardless of their level of debt or employment

as far as personal situations, we can trade anecdotes all day long but in the long run the humanities major will end up making more money then a high school graduate, there isnt anyway around those stats
 

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well like i said and i have always said, the issue is community development, culture and intellectual development

imo black people are poor and live in bad neighborhoods with bad schools and are involved with the justice system fundamentally because black people are uneducated, that is the root of the problem

in other words the issue isnt just about cash, but even if it was, there are people that graduate with zero debt, so the 30K is more of a personal issue and a bureaucratic issue and when you take into account the higher earning potential, the higher promotion potential and the lower unemployment rate, it can very well be worth it terms of cash

but again its not really about cash, its about community development, culture and intellectual development, in those terms a broke humanities major with 30K in debt is a good thing

who would you rather have living around you or what helps a neighborhood deal with crime and bad schools, a broke, unemployed high school graduate or a broke unemployed humanities major????

a lot of this talk about gentrification is put in racial terms, but i would assert its better to look at it in terms of educational level, a lot of this so called gentrification is just broke, unemployed humanities majors with 30K in debt moving into poor neighborhoods and then bringing in higher earning people later, who ask the question i just posted above

on a personal level in might be bad but at a community development level an educated person is a building block of a strong prosperous community regardless of their level of debt or employment

as far as personal situations, we can trade anecdotes all day long but in the long run the humanities major will end up making more money then a high school graduate, there isnt anyway around those stats
You just said a lot of nothing. A humanities degree with 10s of thousands in debt is not worth it for that individual, period. All that abstract shyt about "community intellectual development and culture" isn't relevant.
 

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well like i said and i have always said, the issue is community development, culture and intellectual development

imo black people are poor and live in bad neighborhoods with bad schools and are involved with the justice system fundamentally because black people are uneducated, that is the root of the problem

in other words the issue isnt just about cash, but even if it was, there are people that graduate with zero debt, so the 30K is more of a personal issue and a bureaucratic issue and when you take into account the higher earning potential, the higher promotion potential and the lower unemployment rate, it can very well be worth it terms of cash

but again its not really about cash, its about community development, culture and intellectual development, in those terms a broke humanities major with 30K in debt is a good thing

who would you rather have living around you or what helps a neighborhood deal with crime and bad schools, a broke, unemployed high school graduate or a broke unemployed humanities major????

a lot of this talk about gentrification is put in racial terms, but i would assert its better to look at it in terms of educational level, a lot of this so called gentrification is just broke, unemployed humanities majors with 30K in debt moving into poor neighborhoods and then bringing in higher earning people later, who ask the question i just posted above

on a personal level 30K in debt might be bad but at a community development level an educated person is a building block of a strong prosperous community regardless of their level of debt or employment

as far as personal situations, we can trade anecdotes all day long but in the long run the humanities major will end up making more money then a high school graduate, there isnt anyway around those stats
There are people with degrees not doing shyt.... all over the black community. The right education isn't the same as simply getting a BS degree.

You can't take 475 different issues within the black community and say the solution is ...... education. What education? What type of education..... and is that a one stop solution? No it's not. I know a ton of black people with education - they don't form some superficial and imaginary building block for the black community. Their money doesn't last 5 min in the black community and their lives, associations, and attachments are so far removed from the 'black community' that clearly - for the masses.. the solution can't just be getting random Degrees that don't = great careers.
 

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You just said a lot of nothing. A humanities degree with 10s of thousands in debt is not worth it for that individual, period. All that abstract shyt about "community intellectual development and culture" isn't relevant.

its not relevant to you because you're a marxist or liberal or progressive or whatever you call yourself, and you think the magic hand of government can solve the problems of black people living in crime ridden neighborhoods with bad schools

i believe the only thing that will solve those problems are an exponential increase in the number educated black people, their debt level is not relevant, but the cultural and intellectual impact of is very relevant and crucial in developing a community

creating or promoting a culture that suggest college is a waste or that college is simply about money is dangerous, fundamentally college is or should be about intellectual development and a place to exercise your intellectual freedom and intellectual curiosity, the person than comes out is part of a strong foundation to build a strong neighborhood, community, city and nation
 
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There are people with degrees not doing shyt.... all over the black community. The right education isn't the same as simply getting a BS degree.

You can't take 475 different issues within the black community and say the solution is ...... education. What education? What type of education..... and is that a one stop solution? No it's not. I know a ton of black people with education - they don't form some superficial and imaginary building block for the black community. Their money doesn't last 5 min in the black community and their lives, associations, and attachments are so far removed from the 'black community' that clearly - for the masses.. the solution can't just be getting random Degrees that don't = great careers.


im not interested in trading anecdotes, i can give my anecdotes too that contradict yours, that isnt going to prove anything

and actually i can take 475 different issues within the black community and say the solution is education, who is gonna stop me?

you live in detroit, you are like exhibit A of what happens when people have a culture that doesnt focus on education
 
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:what::rudy: I have to co-sign the sentiment that VVD put forward earlier and make it clear that I am not really an active participant in the college/debt threads so I don't really know your stance. Aside from twism's " Black college degree attainment is good regardless of debt" stance I can't say I can remember any posters stance on college issues just off the top of my head, so it's not just exclusive to you.
I get you. Don't how I worded that too seriously. Sometimes I forget that my dry ass The Office way of saying shyt doesn't translate on the net. I just assume regulars read all the big threads. Education always is triple plat here. Good luck in law school. Hit me when you start for exam advice. Or anything.
 

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well like i said and i have always said, the issue is community development, culture and intellectual development

imo black people are poor and live in bad neighborhoods with bad schools and are involved with the justice system fundamentally because black people are uneducated, that is the root of the problem

in other words the issue isnt just about cash, but even if it was, there are people that graduate with zero debt, so the 30K is more of a personal issue and a bureaucratic issue and when you take into account the higher earning potential, the higher promotion potential and the lower unemployment rate, it can very well be worth it terms of cash

but again its not really about cash, its about community development, culture and intellectual development, in those terms a broke humanities major with 30K in debt is a good thing

who would you rather have living around you or what helps a neighborhood deal with crime and bad schools, a broke, unemployed high school graduate or a broke unemployed humanities major????

a lot of this talk about gentrification is put in racial terms, but i would assert its better to look at it in terms of educational level, a lot of this so called gentrification is just broke, unemployed humanities majors with 30K in debt moving into poor neighborhoods and then bringing in higher earning people later, who ask the question i just posted above

on a personal level 30K in debt might be bad but at a community development level an educated person is a building block of a strong prosperous community regardless of their level of debt or employment

as far as personal situations, we can trade anecdotes all day long but in the long run the humanities major will end up making more money then a high school graduate, there isnt anyway around those stats

You are repeating some DuBois "Talented Tenth" mantra about college educated people serving as the foundation for a particular community, the problem with that stance is that are too many communities that have excelled without white collar college educated people serving as the main foundation. That is not to say higher education is not important, but I think too often you place too much weight and oversell just how important a variable it actually is.

In terms of gentrification you are wrong about the income makeup of gentrifiers, the ones who are broke are still being subisidized by their parents and many of the gentrifiers are still making more than 40k especially when you start talking about the ones residing in major cities. Even the level of education attainment can vary among these gentrifier groups.

I find it interesting that you continue to trivialize the role of debt when we know it can serve as a barrier to obtaining capital, credit, and land. In that way the 28 year old bus driver is better off than the 28 year old Africana Studies graduate with 50k in debt from a mid-tier university. Here is a video that discusses the effects of a Black child having college educated Black parents, sadly the benefits are not that great...
 

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im not interested in trading anecdotes, i can give my anecdotes too that contradict yours, that isnt going to prove anything

and actually i can take 475 different issues withing the black community and say the solution is education, who is gonna stop me?

you live in detroit, you are like exhibit A of what happens when people have a culture that doesnt focus on education

lol, you are extremely narrow-minded and that's not good for people.

I live in Detroit... in a fukked up Culture but me and my 'associates' probably have more education than the average person from spoon in mouth suburbs.
"universities" as some cookie cutter solution... foh with that.

College didn't teach me shyt and I went to a couple good ones. If your already good at Math - u don't need universities. Most other things you can learn on your own outside of medicine and nursing. You hype of Capitalism because you're a pawn and your brain is engineered to only regurgitate the things that pawns state - but just to clue you in--- the smartest people best capitalist know that a certain % of the population is stuck in a maze that leads them to poverty or leads them to higher education then into work slavery. So thats the reason why even the socialist in America who understand how shyt works -- do capitalistic shyt to make money, they want to avoid the slavery.

I said all that to say - for black people it was history and government fukkery after slavery that placed us at the bottom.... and in a capitalistic society like ours it's not realistic for the masses of any group at the bottom of the social economic ladder to move up by focusing solely on an education culture because education =/= money, power, influence, or leadership. What Masters degree did Malcolm X have? He suggest school but also suggested real education - the knowledge to know exactly what we must do. Some random black girl getting a psychology degree really isn't helping the masses or her family.

You don't understand why a urban community has and keeps the culture that it does... and it's not because of education - at least not the getting in debt, learning BS education you're talking about.
 

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its not relevant to you because you're a marxist or liberal or progressive or whatever you call yourself, and you think the magic hand of government can solve the problems of black people living in crime ridden neighborhoods with bad schools

i believe the only thing that will solve those problems are an exponential increase in the number educated black people, their debt level is not relevant, but the cultural and intellectual impact of is very relevant and crucial in developing a community

creating or promoting a culture that suggest college is a waste or that college is simply about money is dangerous, fundamentally college is or should be about intellectual development and a place to exercise your intellectual freedom and intellectual curiosity, the person than comes out is part of a strong foundation to build a strong neighborhood, community, city and nation
:russ: *ceases conversation with this clown*
 

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BA in Electrical and Computer Eng. Took me 6 years because I changed from a double major (computer sci and math)

Graduated may 2012

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damn bro I'd feel like either one of those degrees would be 6 years

aren't most engineering degrees a minimum of 5yrs? and you have two?

how'd you manage, and why/how did you combine the two?
 

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Masters, planing on getting whats called a 6th year degree, and possibly another masters. Veteran's Tuition Waiver :smugdraper

political views: independent (left on some stuff, right on others)

B.A and and B.ed. I'd like to get a M.ed but don't really have the time.

1 Associates Degree
2 Bachelor Degrees
1 Master's Degree
27 year's old

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A BA degree, and to be honest it wasn't worth it:pacspit:

Where was the wizard to warn me the year I graduate from college, would be the year the economy get thrown in the bushes :merchant:

Masters for sure within the next 4 years. An academic doctorate just because.

I'm getting an error when i try to vote, but I have an MBA

what were the titles of your degrees if you don't mind me asking?

what led you down that path?
 
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