What's up with people hating on "Man of Steel"?

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Not a good comparison at all breh.

Harley Quinn is porn status and Thanos killed half of our favorite characters with the snap of his fingers.

MOS was talked about just as much as any other orgin movie.

You really want to put MOS up against Black Panther or even Wonder Woman? Two movies with larger cultural significance?
 

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You really want to put MOS up against Black Panther or even Wonder Woman? Two movies with larger cultural significance?
That’s why I said “just” about

What about
Cap
Thor
Ant man
Batman Begins
Etc...

Man of Steel equaled them easy if not more

U named two movies that had movements behind them. Hell even Infinty War had a movement behind it to destroy BP box office record:mjpls:.

Man of Steel was a success no way around it. shyt I fukking hate Superman but this movie finally made he feel real if that makes sense.
 

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That’s why I said “just” about

What about
Cap
Thor
Ant man
Batman Begins
Etc...

Man of Steel equaled them easy if not more

U named two movies that had movements behind them. Hell even Infinty War had a movement behind it to destroy BP box office record:mjpls:.

Man of Steel was a success no way around it. shyt I fukking hate Superman but this movie finally made he feel real if that makes sense.
You qualified with origin movies so that’s what I did. Superman one of the greatest heroes had no spark.

Begins sparked the whole Nolonization movement. Iron Man started an 20 part movie empire.

Putting Supes on the level of Thor or Antman??
 

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You qualified with origin movies so that’s what I did. Superman one of the greatest heroes had no spark.

Begins sparked the whole Nolonization movement. Iron Man started an 20 part movie empire.

Putting Supes on the level of Thor or Antman??
The sequel to man of Steel was BVS. That shyt had hype through the fukking roof. It wasn’t MOS fault for that debacle that took place when it was released. But even with all that it launched the cultural phenomenon WW u talked about.
 

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The sequel to man of Steel was BVS. That shyt had hype through the fukking roof. It wasn’t MOS fault for that debacle. But even with all that it launched the cultural phenomenon WW u talked about.
This is just my feeling but...

The fact that they felt they need to make it Batman and the JL intro is kind of what makes the argument MOS wasn't successful. A direct sequel that people were anticipating wouldn't need to push hype with JL and Bats.

Like I said, I can't prove the WB's thinking and there's my bias since I didn't think MOS was all that.
 

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Alright I wrote out why the critique of pa Kent makes no sense for people who say they are film experts. Let alone the socalled dc experts. As you expose yourself of not knowing key staples to film and how we arose to be.
where we are in making a blockbuster alien extraterrestrial movie.

So to not attack the person I answered in reply. Plus to talk about the general you who are not in the obvious know. I deleted the quote I answered this question from.

Then will have to break it into parts. As this rant deals with a large half century plus old property.
that has been poorly written. the entire shelf life of the property.
Where the components integral to the character have to be discussed in full. As ell as the level of quality to those components as well. Plus why they exist in that manner as well.

Plus I am going from my gateway memory of the superman film franchise which includes the documentaries on both director shelved movies. Plus the gateway comic lore and relaunches.

Hey Joe...

The first problem with superman and dc fans who protect this shyt is. Or become critical of this movie is. They try to act like they had good stories to pull from. Where to do superman right. You have to discuss and amalgamate a whole lot to make sense. As superman, batman are all written nonsensical as fukk and on complete bullshyt my whole life. Plus to even discuss this shyt. You need to know where and how this shyt been garbage and the key points on when they made it garbage from a gateway perspective. That became the ideal of the character as a gateway theme. So to even pose these questions. You don't show a frame of reference at all to what plagues superman as a property to begin with. Plus the miscues and complete garbage dc/wb has made superman into.
for decades before any of us were born. Plus continued to perpetrate while we all been on earth.
In mos they actually fix all the bullshyt camp garbage of superman in its entirety. Which they do have to fix to move forward, with superman. Superman can never go forward till you tackle fixing these issues in a gateway medium. Of which dc did do in mos given the source material and amalgamation over the fifty plus decades of superman's literal and visual existence which we have to talk about in full to even discuss supes. Which is missing from this thread and all the discussion on dc. As I really do not understand where all this baby ham fist care of discussing and being PC for dc /wb comes from.
As again ... dc been garbage my whole fukk'n life. I can't even tell you one good dc comic arc and I went to comic school and I really made 200 to three hundred percent profit on selling my comic book collection.
as far as the property pieces that escalated in value for my exact era. Of which there are no dc books worth a damn value wise. There is no dc story of high quality. So we can start right there.
to kill all your fake fanboys' outrage of superman. Plus not being written to your liking. Supes has never been written for anyone's well liking and nobody likes superman for real. Simply because superman is a low quality legacy written character. Supes has never been good.
Which is why in my first post I say...anyone saying mos is bad is young as fukk and only grew up with the horrible bad drawn batman meetsm
The wannabe horrible retread of the Fleischer cartoons. Not to mention, dc/wb has never given a fukk about real world issues as integral to their mags. Which I also discuss in the disconnect of marvel and dc. Which you can search. If you can not find it,....if you reply back to want to read I will look for.
Next....
Did you see the first superman?
You whole superman pose blah blah blah comment.
That scene is simply explained as a callback to superman one.
Where the iconic ideal of superman already being a hero out the womb.
after smashin to earth from krypton was done away with. When baby superman saves ma and pa Kent and lifts the car up. Which is amalgamated in this film from the smallville meets superman arc to keep the current viewer appeased. Yet the smallville to superman arc consumer has to deal with lex being amalgamated out of the supes lifts a car and saves the day as a shawty. Into a tense moment of realism. Centered around saving the kids on a schoolbus. Giving a callback to the gateway lex origin and removing lex.

Where young Clark who is not even superbly. Nor is he smallville Clark.
now has to hide in secret.

Thus showing why he needed a secret identity.

Where it is similar to all we befriended an extraterrestrial movie content of this era. This movie expertly has pa Kent aware of the extraterrestrial visitor and the dangers if said visitor is found out. Which have been present in this Gen of film as blockbuster drawing shyt since et. Yet since this Gen does not dig in the crate. Nor understand what et represents.
as far as a quality marker in the tech ideal to film market. Plus thinks things exist for all consumers just because of technology. They don't understand. These things have had relevent products to save them and integrate them into our homes and lives. When in reality most tech does not stay in our home. Let alone reach our home. Yet tech does and is relevently advanced in the operation of the fukk'N GOVERNMENT. so just that alone is your gen's disconnect to real relevent times. As you do not understand the government is ahead of all civilian life in America. Especially in regards to technology and space of all things. Plus we do not have advanced tech.
Plus do not have a cognitive register to what technology is. Especially in the timeline of how superman is framed. So supes can actually exist as a young rookie in the current day and time. A day and time where we just got touch screens as consumers. That a simple change to pa Kent had to be there.
to even have a movie in the year 2000's. as the first question anyone would pose or should pose.
If they were cognitive about this from a real world actual perspective in this subject should know.

The government will seize all alien life forms. I sold alien life form, in the form of fiber optics. So I know all about how the government will come in to deal with alien tech or aliens.
How the government moves on alien shyt has been portrayed consistently in film. Yet in film discussion of mos.
people wanna act as though supes is a human. When he is a fukk'n alien. Plus he will get bubble wrapped, immestediately.

This is prevalent and key in Sci FI alien movies for out Gen from et. It is a central component of those tuoes of films. Yet here people are questioning pa Kent.
trying to keep his fam from being bubble wrapped.
if found out by the government. Including, the fact he was of a young age. Plus they wrote out the idea of supes landing in a rocket ship as a hero.
So the callback you speak of handles the nostalgia of the past films and amalgamates it to make sense to the real world ideals we have now. When superman was developed fiber optics and area 57, I don't believe even existed. So it was written in a time before this ideas were even present. Yet mos is written POST ET. so in that you have to make the father figure aware he could lose his son in that manner.


So that is why pa Kent is like that.
So anyone voicing displeasure I have to ask how much of a film expert are you. If you can not even realize gateway components of a staple Gen film like et. has to be touched upon in this film to even be made or move forward.

So it advances and changes the pa Kent dynamic to actual realism in this era. To not recognize that means you ain't seen not one extraterrestrial visitor film. Not to mention et. So how are you a film critic? Where you can't even recognize this.
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So in mos,...
To keep this movie from being dc campy and different. I would think if someone offered all the questions you did. Whether they came from a noob.
or the so called phantom dc expert. You would know the answer to that simple question you posed. It was simple film show. Which worked. Plus this film at least when it can not show.
did actually tell or give explanation that have to be explained in a superman movie after all this time. Plus has to be welled in the here and now. So mos does this very well. They explain why he is crazy about Lois and expand on it. So yes she is saved and he learns the brevity of the type of danger she consistently gets into as this journalist in real time. Plus they ratchet up the so called ace journalist thing for her. As Lois lane never made any actual sense ever as a character in any incarnation from film to comic. Especially film if we take any supes film into consideration. Not to mention the shyt casting. At least in this they tried to get someone attractive for a white woman in their eyes.
Then and tried to make her this super sleuth ace reporter.
that somehow is even better than supes and even Spiderman put together as a newsperson.
So, just there to even watch supes after all this time. You have to accept Lois in any incarnation from silly olive oil like Lois to the super ace journalist that now dc portrays her as. At least in this movie.
Lois's snooping unearthed the secret identity of supes and eliminates the campiness of the character. Including the entire secret identity garbage of supes ingrained in the gateway basis of the character. That creates most of the campiness. Plus breaks up the campiness foundation of that part of supes as well.
So all the critiques of Lois and this movie is assinine. As Lois has always been a shyt character and this movie made as best as it could of it. So for people critical of that. nikka,...lois lane always sucked and will always have components of sucking. As the character has never been written well. Just like superman is a shyt character and has never been written well. Not to mention, since your Gen is all about the antihero. They tried to actually give an out and edge to supes. By making pa Kent aware about his son[extraterrestrial] and farm not winding up in the bubbles. Yet here you nikkaz are like,...pa Kent and Lois are blah blah blah. Pa and Lois and all the characters in the dc fukk'n universe suck. So they made good of the garbage and tried. What more are you asking of them. The problem is fans allowed dc to market low quality camp and suck it up.

With no real criticism for real. So now they have ignored so much low quality from the chief low quality makers. Now you want them all of a sudden to make high quality. When you never asked or forced them to make high quality for real. So there is no background or high quality Content to pull from.
Nor do you hold dc accountable before this for not amalgamating the story better over the years.
So now in mos,...
They explained where his costume came from. When typically they don't show. Or it never had brevity or meaning previously on film. They explain where the fortress came from. They showsled why zod existed and was hell bent of his villainy to destroy earth. Which for him was to make his home again. Instead of oh, he is a criminal locked in the phantom zone. They explained the green crystals from the other bullshyt movies. They explained his crest and why it was.

They showed fukk'n krypton for the first time to a gateway audience. Plus made it visually a treat and fun as fukk. nikka we got to see shoes father with a pet dragon and space shyt. We got to see their judicial system etc. When typically dc pulls campy oh just go with it. Two, you nikkaz young so you really ain't got no frame of reference about pa Kent being right. If supes as a boy powers up and people catch wind. The bubble suits come out, period. Yet, since y'all young and don't dig in the crate. Nor do y'all try to fully think in real life parrallels. The whole government seizes the exterresstial misses your brain waves. when if you saw any movie dealing with real world aliens. Like this movie goes into. The government comes in. Which is why the government comes in this one so readily. Plus are forced to actually work with supes. When typically the government would have moved in their own way and possibly lead to the full destruction of the earth. pa Kent was right and any movie grounded in the real world with aliens of small size or young age. The government will seize shawty just like they did et. Yet y'all say you know this shyt but how don't you know this element exist. When it is prevalent in any alien film. So to cut out the bubble suits. They make superman mature enough as a child to understand this lesson. Plus why he has a low profile in the beginning of the movie. Including the fact they expand on it ain't no superboy.
just a farm boy alien named Clark who becomes superman. Who has all the social disconnect of a farm boy. Who never was socialized in a metropolis at all.
Yet in ramp up as a unlikely hero.
even though y'all emo and can't separate his father's survival and greater good act as real. Next, if two super powered beings ever realistically showed up. It would be a horror film like it was portrayed in this movie. Where we would revisit nine eleven on a larger more destructive scale.
Where now zod's terraforming of the earth in mos had stakes. Fix this or you die. Where now we can get around the comic code and how neutered and dull wack of a character supes had been my whole life. fukk that don't kill shyt part of supes. Supes has to kill zod and always should have killed zod That maybe you dudes did not realize. Yet supes and batman were written so fukk'n wack for decades.
before I was born and every decade I been on the earth. So where is this so called frame of reference for this great supes and batman. As real talk dark knight is an elseworld what if story.
That was made cause batman sucked my whole life. Plus why supes is and had to have a similar dk based story.
to even out all the supes anything out there.
Yet here the so called comic and nerd community come to fake act like their precious supes and bats have always had this care and it is a fukk'n lie. Hulk Hogan supes and batman are who created phoney.
Plus and are the shining avatars of fukk'n phoney. They sucked and have to be rewritten with realism. As they are the three characters all written where. At the end of the story. They save the day by complete twist of logic and the ol ah ha I have this and can do this with no explanation. To the point if you nikkaz ever been anywhere. Like you like superman. If you rode superman the ride. When you were in line for four hours of superman the ride. You had enough time to read all the information about superman and his powers. Of which if you know all these powers you know it is a result of pisspoor I can save the day semantics which never make any fukk'n sense, ever. Now when someone tries to make some real world sense of it. In a dk what if elseworld medium that makes sense. With the only good villain in all of supes history period of zod. Outside of making supes have tremendous daddy issues from Jor el from bullshyt dc writing. Where his father is turned into zod. Dc finally did something smart and amalgamated the story.
to make sense and to do away with their awful all time shyt bag storytelling. Where supes father is gonna destory earth to make earth into krypton.
So finally dc made some sense in their storytelling and fixed this situation. Plus connected to their only good gateway film before batman89 and revisited supes ii. In the same manner that supes ii has been made to eliminate the camp. If you dudes are superman experts. You know mos is a rehash better written version of the condensed editted superman ii with zod. Ehich was made and still owed backpay to rhe horrible tim burton nick cage superman. So all critique of the spider. You should not even complain about becauee if you know how this filn arose. You know why there is a fukk'n spider. Most of you nikkaz act like y'all know but I know you ain't seen condensed superman ii. Plus i know y'all flodge on knowing this shyt indepthly from any realm. So how if y'all some mos experts. You donVt know about supes ii and this info. Where now they remove the s shield garbage, gene Hackman as a goof and all the oh the people trash.
superman has always been about that make him a trash character. The same trash character that has been presented my whole life. Y'all a lie if you say superman the actual character is good.
if so. You grew up with the shyt drawn superman that looks like batman the animates series.
Which was a cheap knock off of the Fleischer cartoons. The Fleischer cartoons were the only good anything dc ever did with superman.
or any character in their entire history as a company publishing wb/dc as a whole.
So your frame of reference is completely off about superman being this great character. So now dc finally takes responsibility and tries in mos to fix this bullshyt. Which from just mos before bvs was an incredible origin story of a guy who never fought this level of villain. Plus in superman lore for gateway fans. Zod is the only actual quality villain ever for supes. Nobody knows the other socalled rogues gallery in superman because the actual comics.
sucked ass my whole entire life. So there is no, oh bring in brianiac. Which is huff. There is no bizarro which is huff. Nobody wants to watch lex luthor ever. Even if he was black. shyt supes ain't got no villains worth a damn.. Yet for y'all to try to act like oh the villain destroys the earth is bad. Dc took the only thing they had and tried to make it. Which y'all all give dc a pass for before this. As y'all supported campy dc shyt and it did not work at all. Now when they fix it with the stuff you fanboys went out and bought you complain. Plus wrote it how people said movies of this type are supposed to be made as well.

Either you don't know key extra terrestial movies or you do not know superman as s property for real. Is where all this bullshyt critique of supes comes from.

nikkaz flodge'n on knowing this shyt like usual.

I know so because I had the highest rated knight rated rant on rt.com.
Plus I know the people on here never know in full the subject matter as well. So I know it is whole community's flodge'n on this and it shows in the lack of braintrust discussions for mos.


nikkaz ain't seen et and don't know the history behind the products of et. Plus how civilian life and technology based products fit into current life. Yet they trying to act like they know superman and youse lie.

How nikkaz missing a key component visited in et. The main conflict of et arc of et. Yet trying to act like they know this shyt. Stop flodge'n.


If you critical of what pa Kent did.

You don't know alien extraterrestrial visitor gateway film as early as et.

Where if you ain't seen et. I can't even honor your takes on nuffin dealing with film.

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This is just my feeling but...

The fact that they felt they need to make it Batman and the JL intro is kind of what makes the argument MOS wasn't successful. A direct sequel that people were anticipating wouldn't need to push hype with JL and Bats.

Like I said, I can't prove the WB's thinking and there's my bias since I didn't think MOS was all that.

nah.. it was a few executives getting greedy. They were impatient. Coming off the Nolan Batman trilogy they were on their A game there was no reason to rush the universe like they did but now things are finally falling into place :manny:
 

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The simple version for people talkin bout why pa Kent did what he did.

You exposing you don't know modern extra terrestrial blockbuster and no movie buff if you had issue.

As this scene explains why pa Kent told supes to stop being emo and not save him.



If supes run his little ass out there to save the day. The crib get bubble wrapped by government. End of movie and earth as zod has no deterrent to terraform earth into krypton. As supes never grows to be a man and is dissected By the government. Plus the codec is easily retrieved by zod attacking the government as well.
I swear when I read the while pa Kent thing.
as the reason for people not liking mos. I said these people do not know movies. They don't even know et.

Yousa movie film review fraud. If the pa Kent thing is your issue. You ain't seen et and you can't even be trusted as a film critic in our Gen and you ain't seen fukk'n et.



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Hold it right there. "destruction porn" huh? This is the exact wording a few cac fakkits back in 2013 were using and then they got quiet when other movies were doing the same shyt.
What's your point?
Also, join date 2012. This is an alias. Don't bother replying to this guy :camby: :mjlol:
Ya'll really can't fathom that someone doesn't posts hundreds of times a day on this board. :russ:

Like someone can't just casually read posts, enjoy the content, but not engage all the time cause the board is full of weirdos who can't just movie talk without bringing up "cacs" out of nowhere. I had a ton of posts back when SOHH was the thing. Those were the days. But I got older and got different priorities now - no offense to the people who still do post a lot. So if you don't want to talk about the movie then it's whatever. But there's actually parts of the movie I thought were great.

Avengers Infinity War(1st avengers as well) was destruction porn except somehow all the building in the middle of NYC are abandoned for some reason. I guess because it is sunny outside everyone in NY decided to go to the Jersey Beach.
Avengers 2 was the worst offender. Avengers 3 balanced it out with many good character moments. Avengers 1 changed the industry so I give it a pass. I like the spectacle but I like balance more. As all things should be.
 
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