"What's The Point Of This Again?" Pascal vs The Devil Part Deux on hbo Jan 30th Fight Thread

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Pretty much sums up this whole argument. The reality to YOU.

The reality and fact is they both ducked at one point yet you dudes only put the blame on Stevenson because boxing fans love to pick and choose when convenient.

Stevenson bounced to get more money. Duck on Stevenson part.

kkkov ask for purse bid Stevenson is down and kkkov leaves the bid with at a point where he had no ties w hbo. Duck on Stevenson part :dwillhuh:

dat hbo narrative :whew:

And it's starting to get real funny to me how this narrative always benefits a certain type of fighter :mjpls:

And puts another certain type of fighter in a bad light :mjpls:

edit let me be clear not saying you in particular but the hbo narrative.
I agree with HBO part. They run their own narrative that isn't based in reality. I don't disagree with that. It has always been an HBO champion is thought of better than another networks champion and they continued it last night by saying that Kovalev is the consensus LH champion when that isn't true. The reality is Stevenson and Kovalev both deserve spotlight at the top and the only way to differentiate is to fight each other (however a Ward-Kovalev fight does go along way in building perception on who we may think is the best). It also lends into creating a public narrative of promotion, love or hate HBO it works. Now it isn't always an accurate representation, but benefits the name brand of a fighter. I always argue an HBO push would do wonders for Wilder's name brand, who IMO should be a bigger star.

My point is really that there is so much blame to go around that the narrative of Kovalev ducking isn't accurate. Stevenson had an opportunity to make the fight, he didnt. The caveat is he did take a better promotional deal, I get that. Same goes to Kovalev, he has had opportunity to buck the narrative and force a fight, but he hasnt, he has stayed behind what his promoters wanted to do. I put biggest blame towards HBO and Main Events. Main Events is not budging at all and IMO Duva has been the biggest block of all because she wants to control the fight and she knows PBC will outbid here and take her money for being lead promoter. HBO has played it cool in public, but they haven't done anything to help either and I am sure are behind the scenes blocking it unless it appears on HBO.

This is the major reason I was for PBC. I hate the promoter and network battle lines. I want PBC to be a success because they had enough networks lined up to showcase all fighters. In fact that is why I hate the "duck" calling of fighters. I think in 90+% of cases fighters never duck each other, I think the biggest factor is financial, promotional, and network issues, and the best thing was to find a way to eliminate it...and the fighters were behind Haymon.
 

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I ain't blaming :cape: for smartening up N leaving HBO

We've seen Kovalevs purses they are shyt for his status in boxing


Main events was just on Showtime 2 weeks ago

Main Events was in negotiations with PBC for Glazkov vs Wilder until **gasp** Kathy Duva forced an IBF purse bid N ran to that instead

That's the whole point of the Purse bid...no future options...no signing with anybody...you have your one fight N keep it moving...Duva was trying some shyt N it blew up in her face...she's admitted to that

Let's be real here....Kovalev is the ONLY thing Duva has...she knows the only way the rest of her shytty roster can ever get on TV is to bend over for HBO when it comes to Kovalev

If muhfukkers shytted on HBO for being greedy N stubborn...if muhfukkers would acknowledge last night was a trash match up NOBODY wanted...maybe HBO would budge

Kovalev will fight in Russia against trash NOBODY wants...N if Ward don't fight him end of the year guess what?? 4 trash ass fights in a row for Kovalev N you muhfukkers will give it a pass cuz it's HBO

It's unreal. Kov is loyal to main events? Then he is dumb as fukk. His purse for the B hop fight was like 500k :huhldup::scust:
 

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I think Pascal switching to Roach made him look worse. He didn't really fight with the killer instinct and going for broke style he was the first fight. He also seemed afraid to throw in this fight compared to the last fight when he was in trouble. I guess Kov's power really effected him this time.
 

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but this is hindsight 20/20 logic though..who the fukk Kovalev at that point compared to a Bernard #2 ranked IBF/WBA champ Hopkins who Adonis persued instead?? Kovalev was a nobody back then that beat nothing but bums.. best win at the time was Boone maybe Cleverly

True but since winning the Green Belt, Stevenson's comp aint really been all that.

@krackdagawd he may be the lineal and he may get the bigger purses but he is not the draw and he's not the best in that division.

I do agree with you on the Duva situation. She needs to come up with a bigger financial plan that benefits Kov.
 

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True but since winning the Green Belt, Stevenson's comp aint really been all that.

@krackdagawd he may be the lineal and he may get the bigger purses but he is not the draw and he's not the best in that division.

I do agree with you on the Duva situation. She needs to come up with a bigger financial plan that benefits Kov.

Stevenson's comp has been just below Kkkov's :yeshrug: B-Hop win isn't looking as great in retrospect, and Pascal has always been :ld:
 

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That's fine call it a duck...I have no horse in this race...:cape: his team
N Haymon was dumb as hell pulling the move they did knowing there would be HBO Stan backlash without having that Hopkins fight signed N agreed to

Then they go N let Bhop cross to the other side :mindblown:


dude B Hop demands were ridiculous. Dude wanted more money, fight in his hometown, percentage of the manager/promoter cut since he was running GBP at the time then he fought KKOV for less money but in his hometown.

Dude also wanted Haymon to let him run the whole show.


Then when he figured out out he was getting fukked by HBO, he started talking that pro-black talk :manny:

Also my dude said KKK was supposed to say he's not a racist and how JDJ is a family friend which was why Max kept asking him about the public opinion and how people viewed him, he was interrupted by Supaman. Well, that was his excuse lol

Dude is a true racist. any black man who roots for him, you a c00n.
 

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dude B Hop demands were ridiculous. Dude wanted more money, fight in his hometown, percentage of the manager/promoter cut since he was running GBP at the time then he fought KKOV for less money but in his hometown.

Dude also wanted Haymon to let him run the whole show.


Then when he figured out out he was getting fukked by HBO, he started talking that pro-black talk :manny:

Also my dude said KKK was supposed to say he's not a racist and how JDJ is a family friend which was why Max kept asking him about the public opinion and how people viewed him, he was interrupted by Supaman. Well, that was his excuse lol

Dude is a true racist. any black man who roots for him, you a c00n.

This is whats fukked up to me. I cant stand him but I know Stevenson aint beating him. SOG is our only hope.
 

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Pretty much sums up this whole argument. The reality to YOU.

The reality and fact is they both ducked at one point yet you dudes only put the blame on Stevenson because boxing fans love to pick and choose when convenient.

Stevenson bounced to get more money. Duck on Stevenson part.

kkkov ask for purse bid Stevenson is down and kkkov leaves the bid with at a point where he had no ties w hbo. Duck on Stevenson part :dwillhuh:

dat hbo narrative :whew:

And it's starting to get real funny to me how this narrative always benefits a certain type of fighter :mjpls:

And puts another certain type of fighter in a bad light :mjpls:

edit let me be clear not saying you in particular but the hbo narrative.
Was it really a duck on Stevenson part though, cause if I recall, Showtime was offering to pay much more for that fight between them and Duva still turned it down.. i could be wrong though
 

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So now we switching the narrative?
No sir, just countering your point. Kkkov isn't a bigger draw than Adonis ATM IMO. Adonis sells out in Montreal every time(just like Pascal did). Kkkov not so much. Furthermore who's a better boxer is all a matter of opinion. Styles make fights and Adonis is all wrong stylistic for kkkov. Sergei lunges when he throws his right cross, and sometimes his jab. In the first Pascal fight, Pascal tagged him with quite a few good counters--as he did with multiple off balance wannabe RJJ shots. When Kkkov does that shyt against Adonis he'll get put down or buzzed every time. Plus Adonis has faster hands.
 
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