"What's The Point Of This Again?" Pascal vs The Devil Part Deux on hbo Jan 30th Fight Thread

[TheNig]

Brehs really hate on Stevenson like that?

Fonfara dropped him bro. That Green Belt got him gassed.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

The point that often never gets brought up. There was a point when Kovalev had agreed, HBO had agreed, and they were waiting for Stevenson. Stevenson chose to leave for PBC instead of taking the biggest fight available.

After that, it has been HBO and PBC negotiating which is a no go not for just for Kovalev-Stevenson, but for everything not Floyd-Manny. Then Adonis wants to start agreeing, once he knows Kovalev's contract is HBO exclusive, so if PBC wins the purse bid, which they will against Main Events, Kovalev cannot contractually fight.

Let's be real, hate him or not, it isn't Kovalev ducking Adonis, it is Main Events and HBO holding the fight up on his end.

No matter what you think, we all lose. Stevenson-Kovalev would be a great fight. Low key would have some of the best trash talk leading up to a fight. And we should be disappointed when there are two clear cut fighters with claim to being king of a division and we can't get them in the ring to settle it.

I'ma respond to this when I get home although I think @ChocolateGiddyUp touched on most of the points Dunno why @TheNig is wildin

 

[TheNig]

I'ma respond to this when I get home although I think @ChocolateGiddyUp touched on most of the points Dunno why @TheNig is wildin

Becuz Stevenson is frontin. Why come out there stuntin when everybody knows the bid fell thru? That shyt was fraud.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

Becuz Stevenson is frontin. Why come out there stuntin when everybody knows the bid fell thru? That shyt was fraud.

Kovalev started talking shyt, Called Stevenson a Chicken N started quacking right in front of the nikkas face...

But is Fraud for responding to that??



Let's not even bring up how regoddamndiculous it is to call a nikka a duck when YOU ducked the Purse bid that YOU fukking asked for...Kovalev WAS NOT signed to HBO at that time either so there was no excuse

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Kovalev started talking shyt, Called Stevenson a Chicken N started quacking right in front of the nikkas face...

But is Fraud for responding to that??



Let's not even bring up how regoddamndiculous it is to call a nikka a duck when YOU ducked the Purse bid that YOU fukking asked for...Kovalev WAS NOT signed to HBO at that time either so there was no excuse

I gotta say, I disagree as well. The easiest time to make the fight was when both were with HBO and HBO and Kovalev had signed off.
There was one time Kovalev wasn't signed with HBO that everybody brings up as the duck, but Stevenson had already passed on the fight before that. Plus, Stevenson had the option for a one off or resigning on HBO. Kovalev is loyal to Main Events, I haven't heard of Main Events doing any fights with PBC and HBO isn't, so Kovalev would have had to throw them to the bushes and join PBC. The decision for Kovalev was much bigger than the decision for Stevenson. I wouldn't doubt for a second that switching to PBC for a fight would have gotten in the way of HBO giving him an exclusive deal. Plus, a lot of fighters are loyal to promoter's. Sure we talk about promoter's screwing fighters over, but plenty of fighters like their promoters. Kovalev is loyal to Main Events because they were the only ones to give him a shot in the US, GGG has been loyal to K2, Bradley and Pacquiao are loyal to TR, etc.

To me it is simple. The easiest fight to make was when Kovalev signed off and Stevenson chose not to. Since then Stevenson has said he wants the fight, but that isn't possible with Main Events and HBO.

This latest round of negotiations is interesting because HBO has said all PBC fighters are banned on their networks, but they approved Stevenson to fight on their network, as long as it wasn't a PBC production. To me that is the same as the last go round for Kovalev. If we can't expect Kovalev to throw his promoter and network to the bushes, then we can't be too hard on Stevenson for crossing company lines and taking the shorter end of the stick.

To me the reality is, Stevenson was the initial cause of no fight. Now it is networks and promoters getting in the way, not fighters.

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

I gotta say, I disagree as well. The easiest time to make the fight was when both were with HBO and HBO and Kovalev had signed off.
There was one time Kovalev wasn't signed with HBO that everybody brings up as the duck, but Stevenson had already passed on the fight before that. Plus, Stevenson had the option for a one off or resigning on HBO. Kovalev is loyal to Main Events, I haven't heard of Main Events doing any fights with PBC and HBO isn't, so Kovalev would have had to throw them to the bushes and join PBC. The decision for Kovalev was much bigger than the decision for Stevenson. I wouldn't doubt for a second that switching to PBC for a fight would have gotten in the way of HBO giving him an exclusive deal. Plus, a lot of fighters are loyal to promoter's. Sure we talk about promoter's screwing fighters over, but plenty of fighters like their promoters. Kovalev is loyal to Main Events because they were the only ones to give him a shot in the US, GGG has been loyal to K2, Bradley and Pacquiao are loyal to TR, etc.

To me it is simple. The easiest fight to make was when Kovalev signed off and Stevenson chose not to. Since then Stevenson has said he wants the fight, but that isn't possible with Main Events and HBO.

This latest round of negotiations is interesting because HBO has said all PBC fighters are banned on their networks, but they approved Stevenson to fight on their network, as long as it wasn't a PBC production. To me that is the same as the last go round for Kovalev. If we can't expect Kovalev to throw his promoter and network to the bushes, then we can't be too hard on Stevenson for crossing company lines and taking the shorter end of the stick.

To me the reality is, Stevenson was the initial cause of no fight. Now it is networks and promoters getting in the way, not fighters.

I ain't blaming for smartening up N leaving HBO

We've seen Kovalevs purses they are shyt for his status in boxing


Main events was just on Showtime 2 weeks ago

Main Events was in negotiations with PBC for Glazkov vs Wilder until **gasp** Kathy Duva forced an IBF purse bid N ran to that instead

That's the whole point of the Purse bid...no future options...no signing with anybody...you have your one fight N keep it moving...Duva was trying some shyt N it blew up in her face...she's admitted to that

Let's be real here....Kovalev is the ONLY thing Duva has...she knows the only way the rest of her shytty roster can ever get on TV is to bend over for HBO when it comes to Kovalev

If muhfukkers shytted on HBO for being greedy N stubborn...if muhfukkers would acknowledge last night was a trash match up NOBODY wanted...maybe HBO would budge

Kovalev will fight in Russia against trash NOBODY wants...N if Ward don't fight him end of the year guess what?? 4 trash ass fights in a row for Kovalev N you muhfukkers will give it a pass cuz it's HBO

 

[krackdagawd]

i think ward would be best suited to get inside and be on kovalevs chest all night. kov is huge and uses his reach very well. he needs to smother him where kov camt use his power.

We already downloaded his swag breh

 

[krackdagawd]

To me the reality is

Pretty much sums up this whole argument. The reality to YOU.

The reality and fact is they both ducked at one point yet you dudes only put the blame on Stevenson because boxing fans love to pick and choose when convenient.

Stevenson bounced to get more money. Duck on Stevenson part.

kkkov ask for purse bid Stevenson is down and kkkov leaves the bid with at a point where he had no ties w hbo. Duck on Stevenson part

dat hbo narrative

And it's starting to get real funny to me how this narrative always benefits a certain type of fighter

And puts another certain type of fighter in a bad light

edit let me be clear not saying you in particular but the hbo narrative.

 

[TheNig]

Pretty much sums up this whole argument. The reality to YOU.

The reality and fact is they both ducked at one point yet you dudes only put the blame on Stevenson because boxing fans love to pick and choose when convenient.

Stevenson bounced to get more money. Duck on Stevenson part.

kkkov ask for purse bid Stevenson is down and kkkov leaves the bid with at a point where he had no ties w hbo. Duck on Stevenson part

dat hbo narrative

And it's starting to get real funny to me how this narrative always benefits a certain type of fighter

And puts another certain type of fighter in a bad light

edit let me be clear not saying you in particular but the hbo narrative.

I could your point if I thought Stevenson had some juice. But he has none right now.

 

[krackdagawd]

I ain't blaming for smartening up N leaving HBO

I'm not blaming a dude for getting more money BUT he could have fought kkkov beat him and bounced. He would get even bigger $$ and we don't have to deal with this fukkery.

On the other hand tho if he gets beat and bounces to Showtime it looks really bad so I can see why he did it the way he did but it's still a duck.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

ggg dropped kovalev with a body punch in sparring

As did blake caparillo I think, except in a real fight. KKKov is susceptible to the body (mostly everyone is but still), likewise his D in general isn't good. Imagine BeterBeast lands one of those rights pascal did :heh.:

 

[krackdagawd]

I could your point if I thought Stevenson had some juice. But he has none right now.

Breh he has all the juice in this situation. He is the draw. He is lineal. He gets bigger purses.

Hbo are dangling Ward in kkkov face and telling him in a few fights meanwhile lets look at kkkov and Ward purses for these inbetween fights.

kkkov is taking a big L here money wise. I can see him wanting to be loyal to Duva but at some point you have to put your family future over loyalty to demonic promoters. Forget comparing Ward let's compare the hbo purses of another certain hard punching Russian who doesn't even have the resume kkkov has.

Dude is getting fukked out here w no vaseline.

 

[Black_Jesus]

The point that often never gets brought up. There was a point when Kovalev had agreed, HBO had agreed, and they were waiting for Stevenson.

but this is hindsight 20/20 logic though..who the fukk Kovalev at that point compared to a Bernard #2 ranked IBF/WBA champ Hopkins who Adonis persued instead?? Kovalev was a nobody back then that beat nothing but bums.. best win at the time was Boone maybe Cleverly

 

[GzUp]

How much kovalev make?

 

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

I'm not blaming a dude for getting more money BUT he could have fought kkkov beat him and bounced. He would get even bigger $$ and we don't have to deal with this fukkery.

On the other hand tho if he gets beat and bounces to Showtime it looks really bad so I can see why he did it the way he did but it's still a duck.

That's fine call it a duck...I have no horse in this race... his team
N Haymon was dumb as hell pulling the move they did knowing there would be HBO Stan backlash without having that Hopkins fight signed N agreed to

Then they go N let Bhop cross to the other side