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Hip-hop and the reconfiguration of Blackness in Sao Paulo: the influence of African American political and musical movements in the twentieth century


Hip-hop arrived in São Paulo, Brazil in the late 1970s. During this time, African Brazilians organized meetings known as ‘Black parties.’ At Black parties, people listened to music, danced and shared Black experiences. The Black parties were greatly influenced by African-American music such as soul, funk and jazz, and contemporary socio-political movements like Civil Rights and the Black Panther Party. African Brazilians disseminated images and symbols about blackness and called for Black pride. Phrases like James Brown's ‘Say It Loud: I'm Black and I'm Proud' were widespread. Today, hip-hop is recognized as an important influence in African-Brazilian history. The cultural exchange between Black youth in São Paulo and New York contributed to the reconfiguration of the Black movement in Brazil and was the vehicle by which African Brazilians acquired knowledge of the African diaspora. This essay will present three important arguments for understanding how hip-hop became a great political movement among Black youth in Brazil. My first argument is that African-American culture has provided a political language to what Paul Gilroy calls the ‘Black universe.’ This was accomplished through the public circulation of images and symbols about Black struggle. Secondly, São Paulo and New York, though structurally different, have similar histories in the areas of urban planning and population growth, and hip-hop had a comparable effect on marginalized communities in both cities. Finally, the cultural exchange between Black youth of São Paulo and New York helped change the Black movement and identity in São Paulo.

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....as I build towards my main point; the biggest reason Garvey left Jamaica was because in his opinion: he could never achieve his pan-african agenda in his country or the caribbean because they were too fractured identity wise because of the caste systems that were so prevalent. So in the end, they lacked strong "negro" pride

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Jamaica would change up, only after absorbing Afram style racial standards/consciousness


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afram black power/black consciousness was seeping into jamaica so much that they tried to ban any/all links to it

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.....again, we can see where the connection between the afram "black" concept merges and influences global black consciousness and the possibilities of global, pan-africanism
 
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The Amazing Lost Legacy of the British Black Panthers


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While, in the mid-1960s, the Black Panthers – the famous, American, shotgun-toting ones – were scaring the crap out of white America, the British Black Panthers (BBP) were educating their communities and fighting discrimination. Outrightly racist laws that threatened to repatriate entire swathes of the black population were being pushed into place, and sections of the white middle classes were resentful towards the black community. But the BBP – based in Brixton, south London – helped to change all that, educating British black people about their history and giving them a voice to speak out against prejudice.

However, despite their successes and influence on black communities in the UK, very little is known about the British Black Panthers. Knowledge of the group – which included figures such as Darcus Howe, Linton Kwesi Johnson and the late Olive Morris – and its aims and achievements isn't aided by the fact that they only officially existed from 1968 till 1972. Luckily, Neil Kenlock – one of the group's core members – took it upon himself to become their official in-house photographer, capturing images of their meetings, campaigns, marches and presence in local communities.

This month, a new exhibition put together by Organised Youth – a group of 13-25-year-olds who were inspired by the activism of the British Black Panthers – will profile Neil's work at a gallery in Brixton, alongside contemporary photos, interviews and a documentary film (click here for more information). I had a talk with Neil ahead of that about the Panthers and their legacy in Britain.

VICE: So, first off, how did you become involved in the the British Black Panther movement?


Neil Kenlock: Well, I encountered racism when I was quite young – maybe 16 or 17. I went to a club in Streatham, and when I arrived I was told it was full and that I should come back next week. Which I did, and I was then told they wouldn't let me in because they didn't want "my type" in there. I protested that I didn't see why I shouldn't be let in. There were, of course, no discrimination laws in those days, so there was no one to tell about this.

And you were never let in?

My friend and I pointed out that we were well dressed, weren't there to make trouble and just wanted to enjoy ourselves like other people, so what was the problem? We were told to go or the police would be called. We wouldn't go, so they called the police, who then told us that we weren't wanted in the club and that we should go home. I pointed out we weren't breaking any laws and the police told us they would arrest us if we didn't leave. I really didn't want my parents to have to come to Streatham police station and bail me out, so I left. But, on my way home, I decided that I was going to fight against unfairness and discrimination in this country.

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Neil Kenlock self-portrait. 1970.

How did you come across the Panthers, then?

Well, some weeks later, I saw a Panther in Brixton giving out leaflets about police brutality and discrimination. I joined them then.

Had you already been exposed to the American Black Panthers prior to that?

I'd seen them on TV and things, but I hadn't taken much notice. It might have flashed across my mind, but it wasn't really in my consciousness. It was all more to do with what had happened to me, personally, and that I felt it was wrong. I saw them giving out those leaflets and thought, 'This is what I want to be – I want to fight against discrimination and racism and all the bad things that happen to us.' So I joined.

When was that?

About 1968, just after I left school.

And at that time how well organised was the movement? Was it a unified group or more ad hoc?
It was fairly organised. They had a building they were working from in Shakespeare Road, Brixton and a house in north London. They were having meetings, talking about history and all the societal systems – capitalism, socialism and all that stuff. They were teaching us things we weren't taught at school. Back then, we weren't taught any black history – we knew we'd been slaves, but there was no information about the struggles we had faced to get our freedom. We were taught to be proud of our history and colour. Black people then weren't clear about themselves; they weren't strong, they were submissive. They believed in the establishment, society and the system.

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Was the link between the British Black Panthers and the Black Panthers an official one? Or was the name informally adopted? I know, for instance, that you guys didn't condone gun use at all.


It was just an adoption of the name. There was informal contact, but nothing on an official basis. They were a political, radical and revolutionary party. We were a movement – we were never interested in gaining seats in Parliament or behaving like a political party. We were a movement aiming to educate our communities and to fight injustice and discrimination. That was our mantra. America was just coming out of segregation then, while we never had it. So there was a huge difference between our problems and theirs.

What were the issues that the British Black Panthers were combating, specifically?

While we were another large black population, we had no segregation here. But it was difficult for us to get adjusted to this country, and there were cultural clashes for us, too. Our parents weren't given good jobs, only menial tasks, factory jobs – there were no real black professionals in Britian. The challenge here was to get a fair deal, to climb that ladder.

There was also a cultural issue, and if I was to blame anyone for that it would be the British middle class and the political class, because they didn't educate the working-class British about the history of black people. They weren't told that we were taken from Africa, that we were actually slaves for this country for over 300 years. And at the end of slavery, plantation owners were compensated, while we got nothing, not even an apology. So, in those days, we believed we had a right to be in this country – we had helped build this country and we deserved some benefits from that. We felt we had a right to share in the profits, while British people felt, 'Why are they here taking our jobs?'

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So the Panthers were there to educate people about all that?

Yeah, the middle and political classes did nothing to explain the situation. That was what we were trying to get across – that we deserved to be here and we needed laws that reflected that. At the time, they were trying to repatriate us. It was outrageous – you can't take us from Africa, enslave us, and after we've built the country up after the war, tell us to go back. No. That's not on.

How much did you interact with other rights groups? Anti-fascists, for example? Or were you fairly insular at the time?


We had some links with the Socialist Workers and other left-wing groups, and there were many intellectuals who were funding the Panthers – as well as actors and actresses and the like. Left-leaning people were supporting us. We weren't "racist" as such, but we decided that all our members should be black because we were there to educate and advance black people. We felt we needed to be able to sit together and talk about our situation and our history, and to do so in confidence without interruption.

The British Black Panthers eventually dissolved into numerous other groups – what caused that? Was it planned?

The British Black Panthers, in my opinion, came into being as a result of the discrimination that many students from the Commonwealth faced. Back then, the best students from the Commonwealth were sent to Britain to be educated. Many of those who associated with the Panthers were those sorts of people; they had never encountered discrimination in their own countries, where they were the sons or daughters of the middle classes. So when they got here for university, they discovered this inequality and decided to fight against that, but they needed support in our communities, so they came to Brixton and met people like me who shared these challenges, and we worked together.

After we'd educated these students and our communities, lots of the students returned to their countries – in many cases to positions of leadership. We were left with lots of the things we'd been campaigning for actually being achieved. The repatriation bill was quashed, the idea of deportation was gone and the movement just dissolved – not in an organised way, but people just stopped coming around and stopped doing things.

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So the dissolving of the BBP was a reflection of its success, to an extent?


Yes. I think we helped to change the way we were perceived in this country. And many of those students who were set to return to the Commonwealth had good jobs waiting for them back home, in government, legal practice and so on – they no longer wanted to risk their future careers by being involved with us.

What do you think the core legacy of the Panthers in Britain was?

The Black Panther movement was a secretive movement, yet it had a great impact on discrimination in this country. The legacy is in all the proposed laws regarding deportation being quashed. We made sure the government were properly educating our children. Lots of black children back then were educated in subnormal schools – those things were quashed, too. There were a lot of successes, but they weren't really attributed to the Black Panthers, even though they were the work of the Panthers. It's a hidden story – that's why it's important that these photos exist. Without them, it would have been difficult to tell this story, especially to young people. The legacy of the photos themselves is important.

Were you aware when taking these photos that they would become an important document in Britain's social history?

It was very conscious. When I joined the Panthers, it was a reaction to how I was treated. I felt that this was what I could do for the Panthers. I could record their meetings, their marches, their efforts. Many of the photos were used in our meetings and so on. It was a conscious contribution to the movement.

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More on Mcneal Turner and the AME Church spreading and his/it's connection to the triangular, Pan-African connection

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I forgot to post this earlier and might elaborate more on it later, since it played a huge role in early pan-africanism and later; black consciousness

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AA's are the embodiment of what Pan-Africanism is "suppose to be".
to being cool w/ diasporians eating from our plate

Right now, Im just posting about the foundations of pan-africanism, black identity and black consciousness on a global level. It's going to get spooky when I touch on what afram's did for the black immigrants within the USA:sas2:
 

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1. Aframs are indeed, the founders of modern, Pan-Africanism. This is also tied to concepts such as Black identity, Black Consciousness, Afrocentricity-Afrocentrism and Black Nationalism

King, when you say "Aframs are the founders of modern Pan-Africanism" are you saying people of African decent in the America's are some of the most important figures in Pan Africanism? Or, are you stating that a critical mass of people of African decent in the America's supported Pan Africanism?

2. Historically speaking, Aframs have been the most pan-africanist of any "black" people,

What does this mean in a literal sense?

3. Yes, aframs put in the most work for the pan-africanist agenda

What does this mean in a literal sense?


p.s. King, please don't respond with pages and pages of irrelevant information. I'm asking very basic questions that require very basic answers.
 

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I forgot to post this earlier and might elaborate more on it later, since it played a huge role in early pan-africanism and later; black consciousness














Right now, Im just posting about the foundations of pan-africanism, black identity and black consciousness on a global level. It's going to get spooky when I touch on what afram's did for the black immigrants within the USA:sas2:

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Pan-African/black solidarity being an AADOS one way street by and large is a myth?

Okay.......Simple question for everyone here:

Can anyone think of any non-ADOS black organizations, governments, private companies, or notable individuals that reached out ti help during the (still ongoing)Flint water crisis?

I'm genuinely interested in getting an answer to that.

I'm just saying cause there even recently in the current era of AADOS ethnic consciousness there are countless examples of African-Americans reaching out to help the Bahamians during the flood in their country.

Michael Jordan will give $1 million to help the Bahamas - CNN

Va. HBCU Offers Free Tuition to Univ. of Bahama Students

Homemade machine to bring endless fresh water to the Bahamas

I mean this literally represents centuries of a consistent pattern of behavior of AADOS reaching out to non-ADOS blacks all over the globe without any reciprocity from them whatsoever. This is CULTURAL for us because we've seen these people as an extension of ourselves(I personally don't).

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/35380249/

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Looking out for the Congolese in the late 1800s:whoo:

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George Washington Williams (October 16, 1849 – August 2, 1891) was an American Civil War soldier, Baptist minister, politician, lawyer, journalist, and writer on African-American history.

In the late 1880s, Williams turned his interest to Europe and Africa. After having been impressed by meeting King Leopold II of Belgium, he traveled in 1890 to the Congo Free State (then owned by the king) to see its development. Shocked by the widespread, brutal abuses and near-slavery imposed on the Congolese, he wrote an open letter to Leopold in 1890 about the suffering of the region's native inhabitants at the hands of the king's agents. This letter was a catalyst for an international outcry against the regime running the Congo, which had caused millions of deaths.[1]








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...followed up right after George Washington Williams.


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He also shed light on the atrocities and did a host of other things while there; even started a sort of early Africana studies at the HBCU known as Hampton, on congolese art.....hence, putting on for African culture in the West:ehh:



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William Henry Sheppard (March 8, 1865 – November 25, 1927)


was one of the earliest African Americans to become a missionary for the Presbyterian Church. He spent 20 years in Africa, primarily in and around the Congo Free State, and is best known for his efforts to publicize the atrocities committed against the Kuba and other Congolese peoples by King Leopold II's Force Publique.


Sheppard's efforts contributed to the contemporary debate on European colonialism and imperialism in the region, particularly among the African American community. However, historians have noted that he has traditionally received little recognition for his contributions.[3]

Over the course of his journeys, Sheppard amassed a sizable collection of Kuba art, much of which he donated to his alma mater, Hampton University, which has his art on display at the Hampton University Museum.[1] He was possibly the first African American collector of African art.[30] This art collection was notable because it "acquired the art objects in Africa, from Africans at all levels in their society... in the context of their daily existence" and, as a whole, Kuba art is considered "one of the most highly developed of African visual art forms...."[1] The collection, as a whole, is quite large; from the time of his arrival to Congo Free State in 1890 until his final departure 20 years later, in 1910, Sheppard was collecting art and artifacts from the cultures around him.[14]

Sheppard's collection was also useful to ethnologists of the time because the Kuba culture was not well known by the outside world, even by those well-versed with African studies. For example, the collection does not feature a large number of carved human figures or any figurine that could be connected to a deity of some sort. That could be taken as evidence that the Kuba either had no religion or had one that was not outwardly expressed through art.[31] On the issue of the collection's scientific value, Jane E. Davis of the Southern Workman journal wrote that "it not only meets the requirements of the ethnologists, but those of the artist as well. Already it has been used by scientists to establish the origins of the culture of the Bakuba tribe



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King, when you say "Aframs are the founders of modern Pan-Africanism" are you saying people of African decent in the America's are some of the most important figures in Pan Africanism?


Im saying flat out; AfroAmericans are the pioneers of the triangular-based Pan-African movement



Or, are you stating that a critical mass of people of African decent in the America's supported Pan Africanism?


You're talking mainland USA or the Americas on the whole?


2. Historically speaking, Aframs have been the most pan-africanist of any "black" people,
What does this mean in a literal sense?


AfroAmericans more than any other group took actions/layed down groundwork domestically and internationally, for/to the unification, betterment and well being of other "blacks". It's easier for foreigners to get within/accepted into Afram circles than the other way around and this is heavily influenced by the fact that Aframs see RACE, first while all other "blacks" see, NATIONALITY/ETHNICITY/TRIBE, first


3. Yes, aframs put in the most work for the pan-africanist agenda
What does this mean in a literal sense?


the promotion of a pan-africanist agenda which can include things such as:

1.civil rights of black people
2. education of black people
3. black consciousness
4. black pride
5. the studying and promotion of global "afro" history
6. "black" identity
7. the helping out of your fellow "blacks" even when they're from another country/ethic group
 

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King, your logic is very strange so its a struggle for me to grasp the basic crux of some of your points. I'll try this again.

Im saying flat out; AfroAmericans are the pioneers of the triangular-based Pan-African movement

Some of the most prominent figures in Pan Africanism have been what we consider AfroAmericans, and this means what?



You're talking mainland USA or the Americas on the whole?

Mainland USA



AfroAmericans more than any other group took actions/layed down groundwork domestically and internationally, for/to the unification, betterment and well being of other "blacks".

What is your specific method of measuring this?

It's easier for foreigners to get within/accepted into Afram circles than the other way around

What is your specific method of measuring this?

and this is heavily influenced by the fact that Aframs see RACE, first while all other "blacks" see, NATIONALITY/ETHNICITY/TRIBE, first

What are you basing this on?




the promotion of a pan-africanist agenda which can include things such as:

1.civil rights of black people
2. education of black people
3. black consciousness
4. black pride
5. the studying and promotion of global "afro" history
6. "black" identity
7. the helping out of your fellow "blacks" even when they're from another country/ethic group

This is extremely subjective. I asked in a literal sense. What is your processes of running a comparison/contrast analysis of Pan-Africans in other nations of the diaspora?
 

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Some of the most prominent figures in Pan Africanism have been what we consider AfroAmericans, and this means what?

They aren't just simply prominent figures; they're actually the foundations. If you look historically, at the big players on/in Pan-Africanism from Africa or the Caribbean, you'll see that even they, were influenced by Aframs who came before them with pan-Africanist, agendas.






Mainland USA

Aframs from mainland USA were/are pred, Pan-Africanist; whether consciously or subconsciously; simply based on the fact that they see all "afro" people as "black", which lead(s) to them historically looking out for people who share their race (how they see "blackness") even when they have no relation to the people in question. This is why Garvey came to the USA to start his movement.

What is your specific method of measuring this?

Simple, historical analysis and breakdown of:

what have afroamericans done for non-ados blacks, domestically and internationally

vs

what have non-ados blacks done for afroamericans, internationally and domestically



What is your specific method of measuring this?



Simple observation(s) from/on the interaction and/or levels of acceptance to an outsider in a variety of spaces


What are you basing this on?

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This is extremely subjective. I asked in a literal sense.

objectively speaking, those were all fact's.


What is your processes of running a comparison/contrast analysis of Pan-Africans in other nations of the diaspora?

Since Im stating that Aframs are the foundation of modern Pan-Africanism; Im highlighting/comparing the level foreign black peoples/nations have absorbed the influence/impact of the AfroAmerican, Pan-Africanist (which comes with things such as black nationalism, black consciousness, black identity etc...), spirit vs how they were, before those Afram, influences.

Along with the ideological foundation/influence, Im pointing out specific instances where Aframs put the pan-africanist spirit into action for their various, Afro-Atlantic brethren.

In the end, we'll be able to see and compare if any "black" group in the diaspora has put in more for the cause:troll:
 
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